If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?

[Mystical]

What's dumb about not believing in the Loch Ness monster without A. Seeing it for yourself B. Reviewing biological evidence either in the effect it has on the ecosystem or the affects of it's being alive (teeth or bones or aNything)? I have searched and found nothing substancial to make me believe this earth and universe are fine tuned for humanity (see: banana debate guy). What I have found is evidence for a self procreating replicating and evolutionary system that does not require any un-natural force to make that system exist.

I'd rather not believe in something that shows no sign of its' existence (even when I unquestionably give it what it asks for). Especially if that thing demands unwaivering sureity in following man written documents with the threat of hades. I think you and I both agree that just because someone else says there's a Loch Ness (and has an ancient scribe detailing its existence), that that does not make it true. What you are saying in essence is that he needs to be put in the dumb corner for not believing in something just because someone (who has everything to gain and nothing to lose) says it's true. I think you're capable of a better argument than that; there is one, that he'd accept, seeing as how he's not a gnostic.

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The terrible things I experienced as a child were in faith and partly because of it. Is it wrong then to expect the god who made our bodies, to heal it? Not mine, my fathers.

Very wrong. "do not test the lord your father."

Yeah, that whole jump off the cliff in the desert Jesus tribulation. Got it.

1 John 5:14
Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him

We understood only to ask that his will be done, nothing more.
What I'm saying is there was no will to bE done. No mysterious master plan and certainly anything I attributed to that is statistically going to happen anyways. People get breaks every day. You know every Christian I talked to believed they see 11:11 in their daily lives because of their beliefs? I still see it, but it only means the time of day now. Just because I saw something in life go other than badly for me doesn't mean anything more than what it is. Life, living it. Had my parents not taught me that good things were attributed to god's grace, I wouldn't have even known or thought that. Just that it's life, and I'm living it. I now thank the proper people who did me kindness or helped me. I don't assume god did it. And I repay the kindness in my life. It's a social thing called pay it forward, and helps our survival. Christians are pay it forward kind of people, I don't deny that that's an admirable trait to have and I'm not trying to tell you what to believe or that youre a bad person or even that you are wrong. I'm merely 'witnessing' what I get out of my experiences, that have led me to believe the god of the bible does not exist (coming from my learned belief that he does.)

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I got no where with nothing so I concluded he's non existent. The lack of evidence even in the face of lifelong faith overwhelms me is all.

God doesn't work that way, and I'm sure your family understand that. You don't get to demand anything. You should certainly never ever get evidence. Where did this misunderstanding creep in? Does your mother think the same?

Neither of us do or did.

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As for now: I don't know you'll have to ask those whom I love. I haven't changed much, I still put others before my own well being. Bad habit that I know you'll just say was misdirection.

Quite the opposite. You're a beautiful person.

Thank you so are you

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But when you climb a tier of faith for as long as I did, yeah you eventually will conclude your very body is expendable as is anything on this earth; because its not yours its gods. And gods will reigns supreme. Just ask those missionaries when they visit from Africa. I was headed for doctors without borders, when my body gave out on me.

Too true. Nature (God) calls the shots, not us.

There's that argument I was talking about. No one can say god didn't start it all. What makes you believe he did though?