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If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically?
(July 6, 2013 at 6:54 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I didn't say that you couldn't have compassion Missy.

Giving 'everything' to someone might be inappropriate and insensitive. Your generosity to me: saying you'd die for me, whilst endearing, might also be construed as a bit too much considering that you don't know me very well. It might display a weakness in yourself of being over trusting. It's not always loving to throw yourself away on people. To truly love (give love out) you have to be confident in your own love status. Does that make sense?

I am overtrusting, everyone will tell you that. Even me. I had to learn there's a limit to how much of yourself to give and that limit is when it becomes detrimental to your everyday life. I still give too much. I know I do and I still do. Not because I value myself less than others or because I am a martyr. Plain and simply put: this world is a cold place. I like to warm it up because I feel like the repurcussions of doing so outweigh the price by far. Humanity as a whole is selfish, so I end up going the extreme opposite way just to balance things out a little. Still not a good reason, I know. But, without light how are we going to see where we are going?

fr0d0 Wrote:God dying for us gets rid of our problem of imperfection. We can face God like we're equal in innocence to him. We can have confidence to love ourselves without any reservations, and then give love. Hell yes this sacrifice is very important.

To whom or what is the sacrifice being made?

In order for there to be a winner, there must be a loser though fr0d0. In order for you to go to heaven for obeying, I must go to hell for disobeying. Eternally. Eternally is kind of a big deal, you know?

(July 6, 2013 at 6:31 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: So you do believe in the endless punishment of the wicked. I bet you think the punishment fits the crime, then? If so, what bible verses do you refer to for such reasoning (if that's your reasoning)?

See as a Christian I believed the bible was the living word of god. Meaning I could open it up and god could speak to my heart through it. I treated the bible like it was a piece of god. I also believed the bible was the infallible word of god because it says that it is.
fr0d0 Wrote:ugh horrible Victorian language lol Smile

Well 'eternal' is a mistranslation I believe lol. It's not a matter of just desert, more accepting love. A state if mind that acknowledges the truth of positivity winning.

I take the bible as authoritative, and I trust it to be true. I understand it to be infallible, but don't close my mind to the possibility that it can't be improved upon.

So if someone comes forth claiming to be God's representative, and can perform 'miracles', you will welcome him with open arms?Wink
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: If you believe in the God of the Bible, why try to prove it logically? - by Mystical - July 6, 2013 at 7:33 pm

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