Atheism and morality

[The Grand Nudger]

Anyway, that's why I say morality requires a god. It requires someone like that. An agent with a huge amount of power over us.

Meh, that such an agent doesn;t have any measurable power over me - would be the first troubling bit. That waffles could be such an agent, depending on my state of mind is the second troubling bit.

I think it is in accordance with common usage to refer to such a being as a 'god'. I think we would not hesitate to do so if we came to believe one existed.

Depends on what the "god" or waffle wanted me to do. If it dictated some horrid shit I really wouldn't care what sort of "power" it chose to excercize out of the blue. I'll either continue not giving a shit, or be compelled by said power (at which point who cares, I'm a wafflepuppet at that point, not me).

Unfortunately the term 'god' has become hijacked by the Judaeo Christian tradition to such an extent that if you use the term it is now commonplace to assume that you mean the Judaeo Christian one.

LOL, dont worry bud, I don't assume that sort of thing. I don't even assume that judeo christian types worship the judeo-christian god.

This is a problem given that the case for the existence of THAT god is really quite poor and people think that if one can show that god not to exist - and I think there is excellent evidence against the existence of such a being - then atheism is true. And thus good arguments are overlooked. For instance, the moral argument for 'a god' is very powerful.

I've never seen it presented with any sort of power. You certainly haven't managed to do so. Waffles.