(July 17, 2013 at 3:29 am)Godschild Wrote: No, you used omnibenevolence to try and undermine Christianity, you are now trying to have your cake and eat it too by saying omnibenvolence would detract from your hate. I have given you nothing to justify your hate for Christianity, you came about that long before we started this conversation.
I see by the bold above you and I agree that God is not omnibenevolent, in your own words you are saying God can not be both vengeful and omnibenevolent at the same time and God in His word (Bible) says He is a vengeful God. Glad we finally got this straightened out.
Try and keep up with the discussion. Here's a small review of the debate so far, since you don't seem to remember it.
MFM formulated an argument detailing the logical inconsistencies entailing the attributes of Christian god.
Your counter was to point out that one of the attributes do not apply, since Christian god is not considered omnibenevolent.
I addressed MFM's argument by saying that he didn't need to formulate such a complicated argument when it could've been done just as easily otherwise.
I addressed your argument by saying that the attributes of Christian god would be what Christians say they are and when asked for proof that Christians consider omnibenevolence to be an attribute, you were given that.
Since then, you've been dancing around the main issue with trivialities like asking for more detailed proof or questioning my motives. Well, here's everything laid out in the open.
I'm not particularly interested in undermining Christianity, since I don't consider it to be mined in the first place. But if I see ridiculous arguments being made, I step in to have some fun.
MFM did use omnibenevolence to undermine the Christian god and since Christians do consider their god omnibenevolent, the argument is sound. However, and as I said before, that attribute isn't necessary for the undermining. Even if you do convince all the Christians to stop considering your god as omnibenevolent, we would simply reformulate the argument and show that your god is illogical in another way. Saying that we need omnibenevolence as an attribute to undermine Christianity is ridiculous. But since we have it, why not use it?
As for my hatred of Christianity - I don't think Christianity would be something I swallow whether you consider your god omnibenevolent or not. But, atleast the Christian dogma that considers him omnibenevolent is slightly more palatable than the one that portrays him as vengeful. What you are giving me here is justification for hating Christianity more than I already do.
By the way, the part that you bolded, the one that states "I'd definitely prefer a religion with a benevolent god than a vengeful one" - says nothing about whether I consider Christian god to be vengeful or not. So we don't agree that your god - and by that, I mean the fictional being you think actually exists - is not omnibenevolent. In fact, my actual own words are that your god is a self-contradictory, illogical being and that is why I consider him to be omnibenevolent and vengeful at the same time.
