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reason vs faith vs reality
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RE: reason vs faith vs reality
(July 21, 2013 at 9:38 am)genkaus Wrote: Wrong. Reality is an objectively verifiable entity.

The totality of all things having existence is called reality. So plants, rocks water air etc do not have Reality - but Reality has plants, rocks, air, water etc. It existed not only before humans were capable of forming thoughts and abstractions, but before there were any humans at all.

The cause of your error is the misuse of the word reality. Reality exists objectively and independently of human mind

This is a very interesting assumption. So you believe that reality is foundational to existence itself that reality is the un-generated generator and basis of the structure of existence? And our minds only observe that reality which is actually existent. Reality is thus independent of the space-time continuum being the primal entity which generates existence? or do you consider reality to be co-terminous with the space-time continuum? If there were no space-time continuum would there be no reality?

and an aside on construction and defining terms - dictionaries are not the arbiters of meaning, merely the compilers of the current standard of a language by a certain set of standard setters at a particular time in the living, organic, mutating, growing life of a language. Most disagreements and misunderstandings are due to the fact that we all really do use language differently. That is why we need to listen to one another to figure out how your language can best be translated into my language and vice versa. Dictionaries do nothing for communication.

I dislike resorting to any sort of "scriptural" arbiter of either meaning or language. Communication is best appreciated when it is a rush through the rain laughing, getting wet, and finding out how and why we think like we do.
having passed through many states of believing I was right I have come to the place of finding "rightness" rather irrelevant to the project of becoming human
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reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 21, 2013 at 9:02 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 21, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 21, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Faith No More - July 21, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by yoda55 - July 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Drich - July 21, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 21, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 21, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by yoda55 - July 21, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 21, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 22, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by ronedee - July 21, 2013 at 8:34 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Michael Schubert - July 22, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Undeceived - July 22, 2013 at 3:22 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Cato - July 22, 2013 at 4:23 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Bad Writer - July 22, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 22, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Bad Writer - July 22, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 22, 2013 at 5:09 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 22, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 22, 2013 at 10:27 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 23, 2013 at 1:31 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 25, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 3:59 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 4:03 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 4:26 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 4:32 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 9:22 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 9:44 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 26, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 26, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 26, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 5:27 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 5:47 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 6:28 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 6:55 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 8:56 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 26, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 27, 2013 at 8:49 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - July 26, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 29, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 2, 2013 at 9:58 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 2, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 2, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 2, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 2, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 3, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 3, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 4, 2013 at 9:08 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 2, 2013 at 9:09 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 2, 2013 at 10:30 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 3, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 3, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Captain Colostomy - August 3, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 31, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 31, 2013 at 10:23 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 31, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Chas - August 1, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 1, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Undeceived - July 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 6, 2013 at 6:34 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 6, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 6, 2013 at 3:55 pm

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