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reason vs faith vs reality
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RE: reason vs faith vs reality
(July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am)wandering soul Wrote: This is a very interesting assumption.

Not an assumption. The same way that its not an 'assumption' that all bachelors are unmarried.

(July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am)wandering soul Wrote: So you believe that reality is foundational to existence itself that reality is the un-generated generator and basis of the structure of existence?

Nope. I believe reality is existence. What is real, exists. What exists is real.

(July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am)wandering soul Wrote: And our minds only observe that reality which is actually existent.

Yes.

(July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am)wandering soul Wrote: Reality is thus independent of the space-time continuum being the primal entity which generates existence?

That is not a conclusion you can draw from my statement.

(July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am)wandering soul Wrote: or do you consider reality to be co-terminous with the space-time continuum? If there were no space-time continuum would there be no reality?

That depends. As per our current knowledge, reality may be co-terminous with space-time continuum, but our current knowledge certainly does not cover the whole of reality. Whether or not there is something to reality beyond the limits of space-time - we do not know yet.

(July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am)wandering soul Wrote: and an aside on construction and defining terms - dictionaries are not the arbiters of meaning, merely the compilers of the current standard of a language by a certain set of standard setters at a particular time in the living, organic, mutating, growing life of a language.

The current standards of language are the arbiters of meaning and dictionaries, being the compilation of those standards - become the proxy arbiters of meaning.

Language maybe changing constantly and words may have a different meaning now than the one they had in past, but that is irrelevant. The simple fact is that they have a specific meaning now - a specific way in which it is used - and if your goal is clear communication of idea, you have no excuse not to use it in that way.

(July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am)wandering soul Wrote: Most disagreements and misunderstandings are due to the fact that we all really do use language differently. That is why we need to listen to one another to figure out how your language can best be translated into my language and vice versa. Dictionaries do nothing for communication.

If most disagreements are due to different usage of language, then the simplest solution is not to constantly keep translating, but to use the same language. Set up objective standards and use the language accordingly. That is the simplest and most effective way of resolving communicative disagreements and dictionaries - being compilations of those standards - provide us with excellent tools for doing just that.

(July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am)wandering soul Wrote: I dislike resorting to any sort of "scriptural" arbiter of either meaning or language. Communication is best appreciated when it is a rush through the rain laughing, getting wet, and finding out how and why we think like we do.

Such sentiment is what I would expect from someone who is not actually interested in clarity of communication. From someone who doesn't want to get his ideas across effectively, but simply to confuse and obfuscate the meaning in order to trick others into thinking that his ideas have greater depth and meaning than they actually do.
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reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 21, 2013 at 9:02 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 21, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 21, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Faith No More - July 21, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by yoda55 - July 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Drich - July 21, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 21, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 21, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by yoda55 - July 21, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 21, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 22, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by ronedee - July 21, 2013 at 8:34 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Michael Schubert - July 22, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Undeceived - July 22, 2013 at 3:22 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Cato - July 22, 2013 at 4:23 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Bad Writer - July 22, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 22, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Bad Writer - July 22, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 22, 2013 at 5:09 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 22, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 22, 2013 at 10:27 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 23, 2013 at 1:31 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 25, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 3:59 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 4:03 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 4:26 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 4:32 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 9:22 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 9:44 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 26, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 26, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 26, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 5:27 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 5:47 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 6:28 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 6:55 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 8:56 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 26, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 27, 2013 at 8:49 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - July 26, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 29, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 2, 2013 at 9:58 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 2, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 2, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 2, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 2, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 3, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 3, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 4, 2013 at 9:08 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 2, 2013 at 9:09 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 2, 2013 at 10:30 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 3, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 3, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Captain Colostomy - August 3, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 31, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 31, 2013 at 10:23 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 31, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Chas - August 1, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 1, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Undeceived - July 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 6, 2013 at 6:34 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 6, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 6, 2013 at 3:55 pm

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