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reason vs faith vs reality
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RE: reason vs faith vs reality
(July 21, 2013 at 11:34 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(July 21, 2013 at 5:30 pm)apophenia Wrote: Why is this thread in the Christianity subforum, instead of philosophy?(I prefer to just stand around and catch the blood on my shirt, but it would appear the OP is guilty of the fallacy of the stolen concept.)

I must have missed that. Which concept is she guilty of stealing?

Objective reality, or reality as a thing apart from the reality created by the mind. She's invoking it to deny it. (My mind is not fully lucid at the moment, but it leads to some deep questions in epistemology. The coherence theory of truth suggests that truth is nothing more than the coherence or consistency of a set of beliefs and/or knowledge. If I remember rightly, Russell's objection to this is that, under this construal, there can be two "systems," one of which is consistent with a proposition P, and another system that proposition P coheres with, yet the two systems are not mutually coherent. I think Russell is engaged in a bit of question begging here, in that if truth qua truth is the state of coherence, then there is no "outside" the system from which to compare inconsistent systems, unless, of course, you assume that the systems' "truth" can be judged independent of internal coherence, which is what he's trying to prove; thus begging the question. Here we have a similar situation. If all views of reality are biased or constructed or whatever, is not this view itself also a consequence of this and therefore itself relative and not a truth "about reality" as a whole? Which "not-objective-reality mind-gestalt" is privileged with knowledge about objective reality outside its gestalt?)


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reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 21, 2013 at 9:02 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 21, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 21, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Faith No More - July 21, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by yoda55 - July 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Drich - July 21, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 21, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 21, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by yoda55 - July 21, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 21, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 22, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by ronedee - July 21, 2013 at 8:34 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Michael Schubert - July 22, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Undeceived - July 22, 2013 at 3:22 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Cato - July 22, 2013 at 4:23 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Bad Writer - July 22, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 22, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Bad Writer - July 22, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 22, 2013 at 5:09 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 22, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 22, 2013 at 10:27 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 23, 2013 at 1:31 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 25, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 3:59 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 4:03 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 4:26 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 4:32 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 9:22 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 9:44 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 26, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 26, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 26, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 5:27 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 5:47 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 6:28 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 6:55 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by max-greece - July 26, 2013 at 8:56 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by genkaus - July 26, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 26, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 27, 2013 at 8:49 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - July 26, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 29, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 2, 2013 at 9:58 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 2, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 2, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 2, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 2, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 3, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 3, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - August 4, 2013 at 9:08 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 2, 2013 at 9:09 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 2, 2013 at 10:30 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 3, 2013 at 2:00 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 3, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Captain Colostomy - August 3, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by wandering soul - July 31, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - July 31, 2013 at 10:23 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Angrboda - July 31, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Chas - August 1, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 1, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Undeceived - July 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 6, 2013 at 6:34 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Whateverist - August 6, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: reason vs faith vs reality - by Rahul - August 6, 2013 at 3:55 pm

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