RE: Outrage in Italy after bananas are thrown at its first black minister.
July 28, 2013 at 9:53 am
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2013 at 10:00 am by kılıç_mehmet.)
(July 28, 2013 at 9:06 am)festive1 Wrote: What I mean by equal representation is equal to the proportion of their minority in the general populace. If they make up 10% of the populace, they should have 10% representation in a legislature. Which isn't even found in the US legislative bodies.
If someone is born in a country, they are citizens of that country. I realize this isn't how it works in a lot of places. However, if they aren't citizens of the country of their birth, what country are they citizens of? The country of their parent's birth? A place they may have never even visited? That is nonsensical. People of Italian ancestry are citizens of Italy by virtue of being born there, so how is supporting this same privilege for minorities in any way biased or special treatment? This is equal treatment of people without regard to their ethnic background.
Your xenophobia is showing, and it's not pretty.
Nehi. Its not as easy as that friend. If the said 10% had lived in the same area and all voted for the same people, yes, sure, why not, they can get their 10% representation within the government.
But in most cases for immigrants at least, they won't.
And if they don't, they won't get a "distinct" representation.
My country has minorities, and only one can represent themselves in such a way because of the reason that they make up the ethnic majority in certain places, they can get PM's that pursue their interests. But its not to say that they have an equal share in the government in contrast with their current percentage of the population. And they probably never will due to the fact they emigrate to areas where they are not the majority and if they vote for their own party, their votes are not enough to win them a PM.
Quote:If someone is born in a country, they are citizens of that country.That's ridiculous. I have been living in this country for generations, my forefathers have worked, fought and bled for this country, and I am ethnically, culturally and linguistically a member of the majority of the people, and some baby from Somalia is born here and he gets to be a citizen just as I am, just by being born here by accident or by intention? This is not America, lady, nor Canada. Here, citizenship is measured by the ties to the people and the ties to the customs, culture and language.
Quote: However, if they aren't citizens of the country of their birth, what country are they citizens of? The country of their parent's birth? A place they may have never even visited?Well, if they live in the said country for a period of time, the country will eventually grant them citizenship. However what if I told you that I have a friend that is a US citizen, but has never lived there?
His mother and father were in the states at that time, his mother gave birth to him, and he was granted citizenship. Then they went back. He has no friends, no relatives, nothing whatsoever in the US.
Of course the best is to grant a child the citizenship of their parent's birthplace.
Quote: People of Italian ancestry are citizens of Italy by virtue of being born there, so how is supporting this same privilege for minorities in any way biased or special treatment?Well, not by just being born there, they are born as Italians, on the accord that their ancestors were also Italians, and have been living in Italy for who knows how long.
This privilage should be in the hands of italians, since Italy is a nation state, built on the Italian ethnic identity.
Citizenship by birth is a new-world phenomena. Don't try to fuck up the old world with it.
Quote: This is equal treatment of people without regard to their ethnic background.Well, if you have that, what purpose is there to have a nation state at all? If there is equal treatment, perhaps the state of Italy should change its name to something that sounds more "egalitarian" and "foreign to the concept of ethnicity" and declare every minority language to have the same status as Italian.
You people are mad.
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