(August 2, 2013 at 6:59 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: You must have missed the fact that I was replying to a baseless assertion with my own. If you guys aren’t going to back up your assertion that “Creation Science is not science”, then I am not going to back up my assertion that it is. No special pleading in these here waters. Science is merely the methodology of understanding the natural world through observation and experimentation, and creationists apply that methodology as rigorously and honestly as anyone else. The fact that makes you angry is irrelevant.
Oh, okay! Let's play this game, then!
Good science is uniformly recognized to have a few basic preconditions attached to it, so let's do a nice big run through and see what we find, shall we?
Is creationism testable? Bear in mind that testable means generating original hypotheses that can be tested absent the presence of some other competing branch of science: can you give a single example of a creationist hypothesis that isn't a response to an evolutionary/old earth/factual claim? Just one creationist claim that doesn't begin "if X- X in this case being something that isn't creationism- is true..."
Is creationism falsifiable? Well? Do you guys accept falsifiability at all? Ever? No! The practice, in cases where creationist claims are falsified, where they can be tested at all, is to either ignore the counter-evidence outright, or to look for some weasel room around it. Not once, in my entire experience of looking into creationist claims, have I ever seen a single one of them look at a counter argument, no matter the evidence, and admit that they were wrong, or that their argument doesn't pan out. Not once. In essence, the creationist response to being proved wrong is "that doesn't prove anything."
Does creationism hold any explanatory power? No, not in the slightest, because "god" as an answer doesn't tell us anything about how creation occurred, which is the real purview of science. The what is only the first step, but it's also the step creationists are happy to stop at! "How did the universe begin?" "Godidit!" "Okay, how did god do it?" "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION GOD! HE DOESN'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN THINGS TO YOU!"
Is creationism peer reviewed? Stat, I'll hand this over to you, in the process doing something that must be very strange to you: keeping an open mind. Can you provide a single mainstream, peer reviewed scientific work about creationism that's actually been accepted? Just one? Anything at all? Bear in mind, I'll be checking.
Well, that's pretty conclusive, really...
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