Abusive Theology 101

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Could you expound on that? I'd kinda like to know your position here before I disagree with it too harshly.

Not sure what you're looking for.

Romans 2
1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.

Seems pretty clear. Lack of knowledge of the law is not an excuse if you judge other people and commit the same violations. The conscience part comes further on:

14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

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So if we're good people we don't go to hell but go to heaven? Sweet.

Key word there is "if."

Are you aware that in societies of gorillas in the wild, that if one member of the society steals something from another member or group, that they are kicked out (condemned)? Also, in that same society, if a mother gorilla neglects or abuses her child (gorilla) that the society will adopt the baby, and will punish the bad mother.

I ask you; where did they learn this justice system? Do they have a holy book somewhere we don't know about? No. They, to quote your book, "By nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness."

TA DA! There you have it. We have developed these sets of 'laws' naturally. We humans, like other animals, just get it, and do not need to be told that we are evil for being natural. Natural selection has caused our species (humans) to thrive because of natural 'laws' that developed over millions of years; 'laws' that naturally govern the species, and not some god doing the law making (and condemning once those laws are broken).

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Trying to get a theist to open their eyes and see beyond the myth is like going full throttle in a mud race. It gets you nowhere and only makes a bigger mess.

What are my eyes supposed to be opened to? You portrayed atheists by a homeless man who is biting his nose to spite his face. I largely agree with you.

No. My tale portrays all people as wretched without your (christ's) 'salvation', which is what the bibble (dribble) teaches. That is the blindness I am speaking of; you clearly just don't see it. Also, in the parable, the homeless guy is a theist (christisn), and he's representative of most I know or have met. They (christians) love to get in people's faces and condemn them. Again, I don't subscribe to the irrational fears that you have sold your (soul) to purchase.

Thanks for the applause, though unlike theists, atheists don't do things to gain some ambiguous approval. This one is for you . It goes well with this one .