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Abusive Theology 101
RE: Abusive Theology 101
(August 8, 2013 at 4:07 pm)John V Wrote: Actually you just said that they do need to be told that they are evil for being natural. They condemn the thief, as you say yourself.

It's quite a stretch to get 'told they are evil' from 'drives off thieves'. It clearly benefits the group to be intolerant of stealing, to get angry about it, similar to the feeling we get when someone cuts in front of us or gets a bigger share of cake than we do. The thieving gorilla isn't condemned for being evil, they're just on their own because they're a liability to the group.

(August 8, 2013 at 4:07 pm)John V Wrote: Forgot to mention that, if there is no god, then the natural laws selected by evolution which enable our species to thrive include religious laws. So, what's your beef? You think ya know better than millions of years of evolution?

Evolution has given us the ability to form all kinds of ideologies, governments, philosophies, and religions; which often reflect our natural social instincts, but also reflect our experiences, history, imaginations, observations, and prejudices. They are our creations and there's no rational reason why we shouldn't judge them on their own merits and flaws.

Even if religion were a direct product of evolution, that wouldn't make it a good thing, unless you consider reproductive success to be the only measure of what is good. There's a fallacy named after claiming something is a moral good because it's natural.
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Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 2, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 2, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 2, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Neo-Scholastic - August 2, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 2, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Silver - August 2, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 2, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 2, 2013 at 10:41 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 3, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 3, 2013 at 12:20 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 3, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 3, 2013 at 1:43 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Silver - August 3, 2013 at 1:46 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Silver - August 3, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 3, 2013 at 1:51 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Esquilax - August 3, 2013 at 3:59 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Rahul - August 3, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 3, 2013 at 12:55 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 3, 2013 at 1:21 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 3, 2013 at 1:34 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 6, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 3, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 3, 2013 at 2:02 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 3, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 3, 2013 at 3:04 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Neo-Scholastic - August 3, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Creed of Heresy - August 3, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Kayenneh - August 3, 2013 at 2:41 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 3, 2013 at 2:46 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Kayenneh - August 3, 2013 at 3:15 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 3, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 3, 2013 at 5:10 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Neo-Scholastic - August 3, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Silver - August 3, 2013 at 1:18 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 3, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Esquilax - August 3, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 3, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Kayenneh - August 3, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Jackalope - August 3, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 4, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by MindForgedManacle - August 4, 2013 at 9:41 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Neo-Scholastic - August 6, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Esquilax - August 6, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 6, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 6, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 6, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Neo-Scholastic - August 6, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by MindForgedManacle - August 6, 2013 at 7:35 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 6, 2013 at 8:03 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 7, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Esquilax - August 8, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 8, 2013 at 1:51 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 8, 2013 at 2:53 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Silver - August 8, 2013 at 2:57 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Cato - August 8, 2013 at 3:00 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 8, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 8, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Esquilax - August 8, 2013 at 7:17 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Esquilax - August 8, 2013 at 3:43 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Silver - August 7, 2013 at 12:20 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 11:23 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by ITChick - August 7, 2013 at 11:41 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Rahul - August 7, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by ITChick - August 7, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Mister Agenda - August 7, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 6, 2013 at 8:25 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 6, 2013 at 8:47 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 6, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 6, 2013 at 9:19 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by ITChick - August 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 7, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 6:09 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by MindForgedManacle - August 7, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 7, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by MindForgedManacle - August 7, 2013 at 10:41 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Rahul - August 7, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 10:44 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 10:52 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Esquilax - August 8, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 11:15 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 8, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 8, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 9, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 9, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Mister Agenda - August 10, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by ITChick - August 9, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 9, 2013 at 4:46 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Esquilax - August 8, 2013 at 10:48 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 7, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 7, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 7, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 7, 2013 at 6:32 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 8:20 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 8, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 7, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Esquilax - August 8, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 11:16 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 8, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 8, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 9, 2013 at 8:45 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 10:10 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 9, 2013 at 11:53 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 9, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 9, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 10, 2013 at 6:17 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 10, 2013 at 9:39 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 10, 2013 at 10:27 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 10, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 10, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 10, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 10, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Mister Agenda - August 10, 2013 at 11:24 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 10, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Mister Agenda - August 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 13, 2013 at 12:36 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 11:29 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 11:55 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 8, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 8, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 8, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 8, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by ITChick - August 9, 2013 at 4:37 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Drich - August 11, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Silver - August 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Drich - August 11, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by ITChick - August 12, 2013 at 2:59 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 12, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 13, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 13, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 13, 2013 at 9:18 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 14, 2013 at 2:31 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 12, 2013 at 2:34 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Silver - August 11, 2013 at 10:59 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 12, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Silver - August 12, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Drich - August 12, 2013 at 9:47 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by ITChick - August 13, 2013 at 11:14 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Mister Agenda - August 13, 2013 at 12:37 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 13, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Mister Agenda - August 19, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 12, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by John V - August 12, 2013 at 4:42 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by ManMachine - August 13, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by discipulus - August 19, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 19, 2013 at 11:51 am
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by discipulus - August 19, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 19, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 19, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by freedomfromforum - August 19, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Godschild - August 19, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 19, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by discipulus - August 19, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Captain Colostomy - August 19, 2013 at 7:43 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by LastPoet - August 19, 2013 at 8:05 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 19, 2013 at 7:43 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by discipulus - August 19, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 19, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by discipulus - August 19, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: Abusive Theology 101 - by Bad Writer - August 19, 2013 at 8:25 pm

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