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Proof of Christianity
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RE: Proof of Christianity
(August 12, 2013 at 5:56 am)Vicki Q Wrote:
(August 11, 2013 at 12:03 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: @Vicki, the fact that you believe despite not having seen it with your own eyes is proof that people would believe if they're told something happened. And there goes your argument.

I'm at all sure I've understood your argument. However, my reply to what I think it is would be that the disciples made clear claims that they witnessed the events, and observation, rather than any invention, is much the best explanation for the emergent beliefs in the form that they are. Or to put it another way, if they were going to create stuff about Jesus, it would be very unlikely to look like material that is coherent with C1 Judaism, yet is shockingly different.
1. They made claims. You haven't verified that the claims are real.

2. They cannot possibly have been mistaken? This is a false dichotomy you have here, it's not either they really saw it or they made it up. Eye witnesses are very often mistaken, or misunderstood when they give their accounts.

Your entire point is based upon they couldn't have made it up. But your only supporting argument is that you don't see why they would, well, reality isn't confined to your imagination.

And to add on to Esquilax's point: what about the claims of other religions? Is Islam true as well because why would mohammed make all these things up? What about those elaborate polytheism? There are literally hundreds of deities and why would anyone make them up?

Quote:For example, if you believed in resurrection at all in C1 Israel, you thought it would happen to everyone at the instigation of the Kingdom of God. The idea that one person should be resurrected in advance of that universal resurrection would be thought...bizarre in the extreme. It's all much more likely to have come from something they saw.

The entire thing is bizarre. That's why I don't believe it.
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Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 7, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Doubting Thomas - August 7, 2013 at 5:27 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Darwinian - August 7, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Minimalist - August 7, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Drich - August 7, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Wolf - August 7, 2013 at 10:26 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 8, 2013 at 12:34 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by downbeatplumb - August 8, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by downbeatplumb - August 8, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 8, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by John V - August 8, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Drich - August 10, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by CleanShavenJesus - August 10, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Chas - August 10, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Wolf - August 10, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Cato - August 7, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Silver - August 8, 2013 at 2:42 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Michael Schubert - August 11, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Minimalist - August 7, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Minimalist - August 7, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Minimalist - August 8, 2013 at 2:45 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by downbeatplumb - August 8, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 10, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 10, 2013 at 7:49 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Jackalope - August 10, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 10, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 10, 2013 at 7:55 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 10, 2013 at 8:12 pm
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RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 10, 2013 at 8:08 pm
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RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 10, 2013 at 8:25 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 8:39 pm
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RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 8:46 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 10, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 8:58 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 10, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Locke - August 10, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Chas - August 10, 2013 at 11:40 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Locke - August 11, 2013 at 12:07 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Chas - August 11, 2013 at 9:00 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by CleanShavenJesus - August 11, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Chas - August 11, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 11, 2013 at 2:48 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Locke - August 11, 2013 at 9:28 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Wolf - August 11, 2013 at 10:46 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Locke - August 11, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 11, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 11, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Wolf - August 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by CleanShavenJesus - August 11, 2013 at 10:21 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Chas - August 11, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 11, 2013 at 12:54 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 11, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 11, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Locke - August 11, 2013 at 1:19 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 11, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 11, 2013 at 8:45 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 11, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Vicki Q - August 11, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 11, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 11, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Vicki Q - August 12, 2013 at 6:35 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by LostLocke - August 11, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Minimalist - August 11, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Vicki Q - August 12, 2013 at 5:56 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 12, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Vicki Q - August 12, 2013 at 7:05 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 12, 2013 at 7:23 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Vicki Q - August 13, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 13, 2013 at 7:54 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Vicki Q - August 14, 2013 at 8:14 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 14, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Vicki Q - August 15, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 14, 2013 at 8:55 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 12, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 11, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Minimalist - August 11, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - August 11, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 11, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - August 11, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 11, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by NoraBrimstone - August 12, 2013 at 6:40 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 7:50 am
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RE: Proof of Christianity - by Locke - August 15, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 8:50 am
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RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 1:11 pm
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Re: Proof of Christianity - by NoraBrimstone - August 12, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 12, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by NoraBrimstone - August 12, 2013 at 2:20 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 12, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by NoraBrimstone - August 12, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 12, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 2:51 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 12, 2013 at 2:54 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 12, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by NoraBrimstone - August 12, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by NoraBrimstone - August 12, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 12, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Crossless1 - August 12, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 12, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 12, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by NoraBrimstone - August 13, 2013 at 2:45 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 12, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Wolf - August 12, 2013 at 5:38 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Chas - August 12, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 12, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Crossless1 - August 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 12, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 12, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 13, 2013 at 2:58 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 13, 2013 at 3:06 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Minimalist - August 12, 2013 at 9:09 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 12, 2013 at 9:31 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Minimalist - August 13, 2013 at 1:01 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - August 12, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 12, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - August 12, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 12, 2013 at 10:16 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - August 12, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 13, 2013 at 3:07 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - August 13, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 12, 2013 at 11:59 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 13, 2013 at 3:34 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 13, 2013 at 3:50 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by NoraBrimstone - August 13, 2013 at 4:31 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 13, 2013 at 7:25 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 13, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 13, 2013 at 7:27 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 13, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - August 13, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 13, 2013 at 7:35 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Psykhronic - August 15, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 15, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Vicki Q - August 16, 2013 at 6:22 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 16, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by fr0d0 - August 16, 2013 at 12:18 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by gall - August 16, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 16, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - August 16, 2013 at 2:18 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Simon Moon - August 16, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 16, 2013 at 7:28 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Esquilax - August 17, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Bad Writer - August 16, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: Proof of Christianity - by Minimalist - August 16, 2013 at 7:34 pm

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