How to be a strong atheist in a rather straightforward way

[Purple Rabbit]

Purple Rabbit, I don't understand XOmniverse's comment on a god's omnipotence where he says "is it determined by cause and effect?" etc. It sounds like an updated version of creating a rock you cannot lift, defying logic, etc, but I feel pretty confident that I've misunderstood him. Any chance you could clear that up?

XOmniverse is talking about omnipotence, one of the alleged attributes of a rather popular god concept, when he is rhetorically asking "what determines what he does? Cause and effect?". I understand him as saying somehing like this:

- If god is omnipotent, he by that definition is not bound by anything, not even causality, not even logic
- IOW, in that case his potence cannot be understood by logic alone but has also illogical properties
- IOW, this makes no sense, this 'omnipotence' ends in illegible nonsense

Indeed that is a more general form of the argument of god lifting a rock that cannot be lifted. But a crucial difference is that it is not the atheist presenting an illogical argument to the theist like "can your god lift rocks that are too heavy to lift" which places the atheist in the dubious role of using illogic to prove illogic, but instead brings the burden of proof back to where it belongs, on the plate of the theist. For to understand what omnipotence means, it is legit to ask the theist if omnipotence means that logic and causality are circumvented.

Note that a denial of that last question reduces theism to deism: omnipotence does not mean that god can circumvent the laws of nature, defy causality and logic.