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How to be a strong atheist in a rather straightforward way
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RE: How to be a strong atheist in a rather straightforward way
(January 9, 2010 at 4:18 pm)tackattack Wrote: I was speaking of observation in philososphy and that rational or irrational in the above case was far less irrational and more rational to me personally.
When one speaks of observation in philosophy generally a reflection (so a conceptual activity) regarding some aspect of reality is meant, not an eperimental observation. Though it must be said that a new discipline of experimental philosophy is emerging in recent years

(January 9, 2010 at 4:18 pm)tackattack Wrote: Thanks for the article , one interesting thing in there "In quantum mechanics, which deals with the behavior of very small objects, it is not possible to observe a system without changing the system, and the 'observer' must be considered part of the system being observed."
This sentence about an observer being part of the system being observed, has on its own caused the emergence of a vast army of quantum flapdoodle and new age freaks (one of them Deepak Chopra) with idiotic unscientific claims that try to sell their mystical mental soda pop to the masses.

Firstly, in physics the 'observer' is a general term for anything that is able to register a specific outcome of an experiment. It can be man or measurement device. So 'observer' does not imply intelligence or agency.

Secondly, this sentence stems from one specific interpretation of QM, the Copenhagen Interpretation. There are other interpretations of quantum mechanics (such as the transactional interpretation) that don't require such a statement. In most popular explanations of quantum mechanics the Copenhagen Interpretation has been prevalent for decades. Fuel for new age quantum morons has been the problem of how to interpret wave function collapse, the condensation of physical possibilities into a single occurrence. The best explanation nowadays thereof is the mechanism of quantum decoherence which esentially describes the interaction of a small system with typical quantum mechanical behaviour with large systems with typical classical behaviour resulting in classical physics.

Be assured that the wave function collapses all the time all over the place without us looking. But some people still try to make us believe that in some deep mysterious way science has found that trees don't grow in the woods when nobody is looking.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
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RE: How to be a strong atheist in a rather straightforward way - by Purple Rabbit - January 10, 2010 at 10:36 am

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