(August 19, 2013 at 2:55 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(August 15, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Locke Wrote: Jesus made himself human, and lived on earth with the same temptations we have. If at any point He had sinned He would of been condemned for it forever, because without His sinless life there is nothing to save from sins.
He also knew the consequences with certainty, right? We don't have that luxury. And who is it that would have condemned him forever?
I know the consequences for certain, so me knowing this how are you exempt?
(August 15, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Locke Wrote: I'll precede this by saying again that I haven't done an in-depth study of hell...
But I have studied God's holiness and I understand this much:
If God is holy and perfect and all that stuff, and sin is rebellion against God, then God doesn't need to go out of His way to toss us into hell - all that has to happen is for Him to let us carry on, and without Jesus to atone for our sin, it's as impossible for us to live in God's presence as it is for darkness to stay in a room when the light is turned on.
Quote:So your version of God isn't omnipresent?
I do not think he was saying that. God is omnipresent, what would make you think different? Beside the reason of you do not believe.
(August 15, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Locke Wrote: God gave us breath, and life, so even now we all have something of Him in us, sustaining us. This is why the first recorded name we have for God (YHWH, or Yahweh), is actually pronounced as a breath in, and a breath out. Whether we like it or not, our every breath is a tribute to our Creator.
Sin is absence of God; the two cannot co-exist.
Quote:The Bible says that all are sinners and fall short of the glory of God. If God can't coexist with sin, he isn't in anyone.
God the Father will not be, the Holy Spirit can and does. Paul tells us that sin will quench the Holy Spirit.
(August 15, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Locke Wrote: God simply allows us free will, and as we choose darkness He distances Himself from us and lets us make our decisions, for the duration of our lives.
Quote:Why? What's the point? What does God want, that justifies this kind of inane system?
He wants us to love Him and the only way love can exist is freely. Forced love is nothing more than slavery of one's feelings, and that would be a delusion for the one wanting the love.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
