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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 17, 2013 at 8:41 am
(August 17, 2013 at 8:02 am)Tonus Wrote: (August 17, 2013 at 1:48 am)Esquilax Wrote: You might as well have said that god is objectively good, because he is bacon.
That would actually make sense. Bacon is objectively good.
Bacon is good because bacon is tasty, not because bacon has some objective goodness. Rob a bacon of its tastiness- burn it, cover it in rat poison, etc- and you have also robbed it of its essential goodness. 
Given that Undeceived is calling a god that kills objectively good, I doubt he's accepting of any such scenario where his god has lost its goodness.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 17, 2013 at 8:43 am
(August 17, 2013 at 8:41 am)Esquilax Wrote: Bacon is good because bacon is tasty, not because bacon has some objective goodness. Rob a bacon of its tastiness- burn it, cover it in rat poison, etc- and you have also robbed it of its essential goodness.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 17, 2013 at 8:44 am
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Burned bacon is also tasty, albeit in a different way. And how do you know rat poison doesn't improve the taste? In fact, season liberally with rat poison and I can guarantee you will never get better.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 17, 2013 at 9:03 am
(August 17, 2013 at 8:44 am)Stimbo Wrote: Burned bacon is also tasty, albeit in a different way. And how do you know rat poison doesn't improve the taste? In fact, season liberally with rat poison and I can guarantee you will never get better.
You will, however, also never get to eat another piece of bacon, which is objectively evil, and therefore so is rat poisoned bacon. 
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 17, 2013 at 9:05 am
Some people hate bacon. My daughter, for example. So bacons' goodness is subjective, just like God.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 17, 2013 at 2:33 pm
(August 17, 2013 at 9:05 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Some people hate bacon. My daughter, for example. So bacons' goodness is subjective, just like God.
I'll drink to that. Now that we realize that his goodness isn't actually objective, we need to take a look at why we are attributing anything good or bad to something that's made up.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 17, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Serves me right for joking I guess 
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 17, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Quote:Bacon is good because bacon is tasty, not because bacon has some objective goodness.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 18, 2013 at 7:41 am
The epistemologically subjective experience of my ontologically objective phenomenologically subjective experience of bacon is absolutely delicious.
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RE: Miracles and Anti-supernaturalism
August 19, 2013 at 2:55 pm
(August 15, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Locke Wrote: Jesus made himself human, and lived on earth with the same temptations we have. If at any point He had sinned He would of been condemned for it forever, because without His sinless life there is nothing to save from sins.
He also knew the consequences with certainty, right? We don't have that luxury. And who is it that would have condemned him forever?
(August 15, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Locke Wrote: I'll precede this by saying again that I haven't done an in-depth study of hell...
But I have studied God's holiness and I understand this much:
If God is holy and perfect and all that stuff, and sin is rebellion against God, then God doesn't need to go out of His way to toss us into hell - all that hasbto happen is for Him to let us carry on, and without Jesus to atone for our sin, it's as impossible for us to live in God's presence as it is for darkness to stay in a room when the light is turned on.
So your version of God isn't omnipresent?
(August 15, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Locke Wrote: God gave us breath, and life, so even now we all have something of Him in us, sustaining us. This is why the first recorded name we have for God (YHWH, or Yahweh), is actually pronounced as a breath in, and a breath out. Whether we like it or not, our every breath is a tribute to our Creator.
Sin is absence of God; the two cannot co-exist.
The Bible says that all are sinners and fall short of the glory of God. If God can't coexist with sin, he isn't in anyone.
(August 15, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Locke Wrote: God simply allows us free will, and as we choose darkness He distances Himself from us and lets us make our decisions, for the duration of our lives.
Why? What's the point? What does God want, the justifies this kind of inane system?
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