christian "love"

[Drich]

Seriously, it's not as if it's difficult to find. That you demand BCV for well known verses is a bit much. But, since you insisted -

'God is love'

1 John 4:8
1 John 4:16b

ok,

'God is jealous'

Exodus 20:5
Deuteronomy 5:9
Deuteronomy 6:15
1 Kings 19:10
1 Kings 19:14

Indeed.

'Love is not jealous'

1 Corinthians 13:4

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

So, where in 1 cor 13 does it say God is bound to this expectation of love?

Paul is Clearly speaking to the people of Corinth about the "Love your neighbor as your self" command and how this trumps all other Spiritual gifts... In order for your arguement to work you must show that what Paul says to us, applies to God.

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God describes Himself as "I am" which means God is whom ever He wants to be. Not the being we think should be God.

I think what you mean is "this is my excuse for not having to defend the logical inconsistencies in my beliefs."

Your answer is a complete cop-out.

Ah, no. In My believe God does not repersent Himself the way you explained. So there is not inconsistency. Again you guys have created your own version of God not consistant with the biblical account and then throw stones at the inconsistancies you have created in your God.

Your failures in your version of God are not on me to explain, even if your version of God is based on some christian version of God.

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Again, no.

Both you ( the one who says there is no God) and the son who says my 'father/God' is dead, have arrived at the same point or destination(your favorite spot on the beach) now the son who says the father is dead took the Interstate. And you who says there is no God took the back roads. Either way you want to look at it you both wound up in the same place. (Your favorite spot on the beach) meaning to both of you there is no God. You want to look at the sons journey and tell me your in a different place than he is, but your in the same place. So again it does not matter how you got to the beach, the fact of the matter is that you are there.

Again, no.

The places I and the son have arrived at are very, very different. The son does not deny his father's existence - he simply denies its relevance to his life. I do deny the father's existence. The son is very much aware of the fact that his father exists and is real - I am not. The son knows and understands that god exists and chooses to ignore it. I know and understand that he does not exist.

But in the end You and the prodigal son have no father for one reason or another is that correct?

To put it another way, There is no 'Overseer' you are accountable to is there?

If you don't then you are in the same place. It's like one kid father dying when he was 4, and the other one never knew he even had a father. either way they will grow up without knowing their dad.

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Wow the news must have been all over that story, can you provide a link?

This event occurred about 1978 1982 or there abouts so no internet links that I'm aware of. I will ask my mom if she has any newpaper clippings. It did appear in the Maryville Daily Times. (TN) Their last name was Shumate.
I have several family pictures with the family and the little boy that burnt himself alive. I'll see if I can get a scan of those from my mom as well, because it really helps to put a face to the name and story. Then you can see what a beautiful, innocent child he was, and how precious his beloved gay sister was.

-update- I spoke with my Dad over the phone. He corrected a bit of detail on the story. I don't live in Tennessee anymore, so I'll have to wait on my mom to get home to try and get the article or the pictures..

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Drich,

While I'm waiting, why don't you pray to jesus and ask him if Danny Shumate, the boy in the story, is in hell for loving his sister so much. I'd really really like to know what jesus has to say about his location right now.

Of course there is no proof! Why would there be??

The only reason I asked you for proof is because you have a history of saying whatever you need to say, no matter if it is true or not. I just wanted to see what you would come up with to explain yourself this time.

This event occurred about 1978 1982

The line/correction really sold it... out.

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I've got to make another correction to the story, it seems my memory isn't as good as I'd like it to be. The Dad didn't commit suicide, I got that confused with a deacon of the church evidently. The mom was the one that went crazy and killed herself a couple of years later. He died in 2006. I found his Obit.

SHUMATE, XXXX XXXXX - age 68 of Maryville, passed away Thursday September 7,
2006 at U.T. Medical Center. .. .. . Preceded in death by wife, Linda xxx
Shumate, son, Danny Shumate,

As a funny note, his family didn't list his first wife's name in his obit, the one stricken by grief, just his second wife Linda.

I knew the insides of the story because of my friendship with the daughter later in college. This was a huge catalyst in changing my (then) christian bigoted mind about gay people.

again, proof? A Link to an actual artical or will you line out the year and tell me "this happened in the 60's before they started to document crime."

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I dunno what father you're talking about, but my father died when I was three years old and that's the only father I claim to have, given that he provided me with my genetics.

The Parable of the Lost Son
11 Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. 12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.

25 “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27 ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”