(August 21, 2013 at 10:03 am)Drich Wrote: Maybe it is we who are 'saddled' with a divine emotion of jealousy.

Why would a perfect being be jealous? I mean, according to the bible, God is a jealous god. OK, but if there was nothing before he created it, why get jealous of anything? Especially since he's also supposed to be all-knowing and knows everything that's ever happened and everything that ever will, so he creates humans he knows will worship other gods but yet he gets jealous anyway (and therefore wrathful).

No, god was made in man's image. God was made jealous and wrathful as a way to control other people.

(August 21, 2013 at 10:03 am)Drich Wrote:

(August 20, 2013 at 5:06 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: P1: The Bible says God is love.
P2: The Bible says love is not jealous.
P3: The Bible says God is a jealous god.
C1: Something is wrong here.

Yes the lack of book chapter and verse/context, in your appraisal.

Just mistakenly gave you credit for knowing your Bible well enough to recognize the references. Even so, I'd think you could look them up yourself. Are you claiming not all of those verses are in the Bible?

The problem of course, is the verse claiming God is love. That's a ridiculous notion at odds with the whole concept of God as a personal being, and there's no context that could justify it, it's fluff, and misleading fluff at that.

(August 21, 2013 at 10:03 am)Drich Wrote: Just as the lost son did. He said 'he had no father.' You say you have no "Father." There is no difference in your final conclusion.
Whether you take the interstate to your favorite spot on the beach or the back roads your final destination is still your favorite spot on the beach. if you believe your lie (that you have no Father) you can never go back. If you accept your statement for what it is, then if you ever want to go back the possibility still remains.

Thanks for clearing up my confusion. So you are not being insincere and condescending. You really are that stupid.

The big difference between my conclusion and the son's is that he did not say that the father does not exist. All evidence suggests that while the son knows that his father is real, that he exists and he is simply choosing to refuse to let him play any role in his life. When I say "there is no father" I'm literally implying non-existence.

I'd say that your assumption here - that the statement "there is no father" is a lie I'm telling myself - is disgustingly condescending. But I understand now that you don't mean to be condescending, you are just too stupid to get that fact.

(August 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(August 21, 2013 at 10:03 am)Drich Wrote: Just as the lost son did. He said 'he had no father.' You say you have no "Father." There is no difference in your final conclusion.
Whether you take the interstate to your favorite spot on the beach or the back roads your final destination is still your favorite spot on the beach. if you believe your lie (that you have no Father) you can never go back. If you accept your statement for what it is, then if you ever want to go back the possibility still remains.

Thanks for clearing up my confusion. So you are not being insincere and condescending. You really are that stupid.

The big difference between my conclusion and the son's is that he did not say that the father does not exist. All evidence suggests that while the son knows that his father is real, that he exists and he is simply choosing to refuse to let him play any role in his life. When I say "there is no father" I'm literally implying non-existence.

I'd say that your assumption here - that the statement "there is no father" is a lie I'm telling myself - is disgustingly condescending. But I understand now that you don't mean to be condescending, you are just too stupid to get that fact.

Again, no.

Both you ( the one who says there is no God) and the son who says my 'father/God' is dead, have arrived at the same point or destination(your favorite spot on the beach) now the son who says the father is dead took the Interstate. And you who says there is no God took the back roads. Either way you want to look at it you both wound up in the same place. (Your favorite spot on the beach) meaning to both of you there is no God. You want to look at the sons journey and tell me your in a different place than he is, but your in the same place. So again it does not matter how you got to the beach, the fact of the matter is that you are there.

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(August 21, 2013 at 11:05 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(August 21, 2013 at 10:03 am)Drich Wrote: Yes the lack of book chapter and verse/context, in your appraisal.

Just mistakenly gave you credit for knowing your Bible well enough to recognize the references. Even so, I'd think you could look them up yourself. Are you claiming not all of those verses are in the Bible?

The problem of course, is the verse claiming God is love. That's a ridiculous notion at odds with the whole concept of God as a personal being, and there's no context that could justify it, it's fluff, and misleading fluff at that.

Now that you have established my ignorance, then please proceed to show me where in the bible (BCV) God is as you have stated.

(August 20, 2013 at 3:08 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: There are lots of things Christians say that are meant to be conciliatory, but really come off as condescending and insincere. I don't know too many Christians anymore. For the most part, they've proven to be toxic in my life.

If you think you are better than someone and act like it because of your religion are you not in fact being condescending and insincere? It doesn't just come off like that, that is exactly how most act.

I know when someone thinks they are better than I am and have never met someone doing it on "accident".

Spend the energy and time to not act like this or be labeled an assTOPhat.

(August 21, 2013 at 11:01 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Why would a perfect being be jealous?

Perfection is a word that describes the qualities of God. Not, the other way around.(God has to meet the definition of perfect, inorder to be God.)

Quote: I mean, according to the bible, God is a jealous god. OK, but if there was nothing before he created it, why get jealous of anything?

God describes Himself as "I am" which means God is whom ever He wants to be. Not the being we think should be God.

Quote:Especially since he's also supposed to be all-knowing and knows everything that's ever happened and everything that ever will, so he creates humans he knows will worship other gods but yet he gets jealous anyway (and therefore wrathful).

If you know your wife was cheating on you with your neighbor, and then you catch them in the act, will you not be angry because you already knew she was cheating?

Quote:No, god was made in man's image. God was made jealous and wrathful as a way to control other people.

if He were then wouldn't He fit your definition of God (this "perfect" being you/man thinks He should be?) doesn't autonomy from man's idea of God speak to an indivisual not created by man?

Sometimes it's genuine, sometimes it's not.

(August 21, 2013 at 2:25 pm)Drich Wrote: Now that you have established my ignorance, then please proceed to show me where in the bible (BCV) God is as you have stated.

Seriously, it's not as if it's difficult to find. That you demand BCV for well known verses is a bit much. But, since you insisted -

'God is love'

1 John 4:8
1 John 4:16b

'God is jealous'

Exodus 20:5
Deuteronomy 5:9
Deuteronomy 6:15
1 Kings 19:10
1 Kings 19:14

'Love is not jealous'

1 Corinthians 13:4

(August 21, 2013 at 2:36 pm)Drich Wrote: God describes Himself as "I am" which means God is whom ever He wants to be. Not the being we think should be God.

I think what you mean is "this is my excuse for not having to defend the logical inconsistencies in my beliefs."

Your answer is a complete cop-out.

Something my dad said when i left my faith. I don't see it as much as a big deal, it is better than "I HATE YOU!".
Just saying though.