(August 26, 2013 at 10:30 pm)bladevalant546 Wrote:(August 26, 2013 at 9:18 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: If it's a court case, and a criminal one, don't we have to convince the jury beyond all reasonable doubt? That just flew out the window if god is omnipotent and can manipulate everyone. And did so not very surreptitiously.Ahh yes you objection would hold water. However, the only witness of this perception are the Abrahamic religions. With that said, those are the only reliable witness to his omnipresence. That means we cannot take his omnipotence seriously. However, we have Mr. D as the witness to the fall regardless of the possible malicious intent. We can ascertain that God did have foreknowledge and intent when placing the tree in the garden.
(Okay I am having fun with this, I do fear it might get out of hand.)
You're right it will get out of hand quickly, that's the way some deal with arguments here, they care nothing for the argument they only desire the kudos. If it were to stay serious I would have things to say, but I'm tired of the immature childish ways of our new members, I wish some of the mature ones would come back.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
