Not again! -- Encouragement Please

[themonkeyman]

Hey,

I am not saying this at all - You say that people here do not care for my eternal life but you have to first explain why there is no strong evidence of Jesus. I read the Bible like most Christians every day but I never *Got* it! Until I took a step back and looked at it objectively.

Alot of people here were Ex-Christians so you cannot say they do not care about my well being, If God is Just and fair he will understand completely my angle. He will see that I have studied hard on his faulty word and that I cannot love someone that 'MEN' paint as a tyrant.

Perhaps God is a loving person but the bible does not make him out to be loving at all - Quite the opposite. Understand these people who do not care about me - Well do you think perhaps they would be the first to give me a genuine answer with no Apologetic twisting to make it fit.

You say that you are surprised - Try saying that when members of your family die in Unbelief. I would rather give God the middle finger than to worship him knowing hes letting my loved ones roast in Hell. Just so that I can spend the rest of eternity worshiping him to tell him how great he is for being so 'Just??'.

When I meet the Father at Judgement I will be pointing the blame not at Jesus or the Holy Spirit but directly at him! Actually how do you know it wont do me any good to blame God? Sure if hes going to condemn me to hell why not give him the finger? You forget that throughout the OT god found sinners righteous! Take Noah and his family! were they the only non sinners in the entire world?

I think a God that created us and allowed us to fall from Grace has to take part of the blame. I never once asked him for Life and I never once told him I want to goto hell but I sure as heck dont want to goto heaven either. So why is it one or the other.

Free Will - That I make my own decisions

God != Free Will (e.g. Belief = Heaven / Non Belief = Hell) How is that free will? Its the same as having a gun pointed to your head and someone going you can either do as I say or I shoot you - But dont worry you have free will to make this decision. At that point although its free will its not true free will as the decision is either in favour of the person or not in which that same person can make their mind up on how to punish you for not taking their decision.

I was a Christian and this is where the problem was - I prayed to God and asked him for help! None was received - You can say that I didn't hear him or whatever but none was received.

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Bang on the nail - @Drich and @GC I pose a challenge for both of you to prove your theory correct.

I felt I blasphemed because I said the 'Holy Spirit was like a Demon' in the context that they shared afew common attributes 'Spritual Beings / Both Control People / One is Good the Other is Evil (antonym)' So I challenge you to agree with me on that statement. If you dont believe it was blasphemy then you will have no problem.

If you think that its unbelief until death then you shouldent have a problem agreeing with the context of my sentance. I am not saying one is Equal to the other just that they both are similar on afew things.

If you cannot agree on that then I cannot follow your God, If you both agree that what I said there was Theologicially correct you may well be in with a Chance to winning me back! Over to you.

Thanks @Pineapple and @Captain Colostomy you folks speak sense

Agree with what? that the Holy spirit is like a demon because He possess people? What if your analogy is wrong?

The Holy Spirit is an intercessor, a link between you and the Father. not someone who makes you puke clam chower instead of pea soup.

Not to mention you still have a huge obstical to over come in my last rebuttal.

No where in the account of Mat or Mark did the Pharisees verbaly mention the Holy Spirit. Their blaspheme according to those two accounts were based on the Hearts that Christ judged to be blasphmous towards the Holy Spirit. The Pharisees did not even know what a 'Holy Spirit' was let alone 'take His name in vein.' (Which btw is what you think blaspheme is.) In this case according to the words and actions of Christ is not the case.

Drich that is not what I said and you are adding to it and thats not what I meant.

Question: Are there similarities?

Holy Spirit: Spiritual Entity / From God / (Possesses in a form of Guides/Controls - in a Good Way) / Has a desire for the human soul. Convicts us of our sinful nature and need to repent. Draws us closer to God.

Demon: Spiritual Entity / From God / (Posesses in a form of Guides/Controls - in a Bad Way) / Has a desire for the human soul.
Makes us commit sin and makes us think we have sinned where we have not. Draws us further from God.

When I said this passive remark when talking to myself out loud when working this through that is what I meant by the context! I did not mean that its evil or anything I meant it exactly as above.

Understand some Christians said

Its the Holy Spirit convicting you of your need to repent and making you feel guilty.
And Others Said
Its a Demon convincing you that you have sinned and making you feel guilty.

So when I said one was like the other I meant it as in (Well how the hell can it be both a Demon and the Holy Spirit) making me believe I committed this sin.

So surely for Christians to have a divided view point there would have to be common characteristics between both entities as if there are two view points they must be similar enough to confuse the both of them. Thats what I meant!