(August 26, 2013 at 11:13 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(August 26, 2013 at 11:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: One thing you have discounted about Christianity, belief becomes knowledge when one looks for it.

GC

False. Theistic belief leads to ignorance.

It may have with you, but not with me.

GC

(August 26, 2013 at 11:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: but not with me.

GC

Yes, especially with you.

(August 26, 2013 at 6:32 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(August 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: Here's what is certain, the real truth in monkeyman's statement was His thought, trying to dismiss God, is like a flea trying to move the earth out of orbit, impossible.

GC

And yet I've done it so easily.

I'm sure he is actually alluding to the impossibility of dismissing a being which isn't real. I mean, you can't really tell Harry Potter to fuck off.

(August 26, 2013 at 11:21 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(August 26, 2013 at 11:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: but not with me.

GC

Yes, especially with you.

I'm not playing your childish game!

GC

Hey

@JesusHCrist - I know that what you are saying is completely correct and true - I dont argue with that at all, I am in early days in my de-conversion so I still go through rough spots.

@Pineapple - You are again spot on - For your age I would say you were extremely intelligent and know your standpoint which encourages me more. I am inquisitive, Everyone has seen my Genesis document and when I get time I will do it for every book in the bible.

@GodsChild - You said to stop relying on people for my answers, Why shouldn't I? I have prayed to God and he left me to feel the pain of this for months so obviously if he loved me in any way shape or form he would have given me a clear sign! One that is 'Beyond Reasonable Doubt'. Look people can say up and down that the Blasphemy is 'Unbelief'

Lets face it though Jesus said 'He who speaks a word against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven' - He didn't say 'He who dies in unbelief' he said 'Speaks a WORD' and that's what pisses me off as may Christians have managed to bend that literal phrase to mean something else when it is clear cut!

@Everyone - I know deep down the bible is bull shit I have got 148 problems with Genesis and although some are really hard on the book its still scruitny that the Bible should beable to take like a breeze. Its just sometimes you do get some doubts that maybe I am still doomed. It does encourage me though to know that many people have committed this sin so at least I wont be in hell all by myself if the said place does exist.

Part of me thinks its funny as if God loves me that much sending me to hell will be satisfying for me as It will show quite plainly that he fucked up, I asked God for a visible sign and havent recieved one. If God existed like @Pineapple said then he cannot let me live with Uncertainty and fear. God would also have known the only way for me to leave this fear is by dis-belief. So it would appear either God does not care or that he does not exist.

In the last day I do have one card I *WILL* use! And I *WILL* say that to God that all my Athiesm is down to him as he was not there when I needed him most! Just like he wasent there for his own son!

The vast majority of the problems you have with genesis is that the God depicted in the bible does not align with the picture of God you hold in your mind. In short you were never taught to worship the God of the bible. You were given a picture of God in your religion, and assumed it is correct. But, when you compared that religious picture of God to what is written in the bible, you found it to be in error.

Your problem is not with Genesis. It is with who you think God to be, and because you can not reconcile your personal understanding of God with the description of God found in the bible, you assume the bible is in error. If you took the time to take an honest look at the God of the bible and build your understanding of God off of the bible alone you would not find error nor contradiction.

(August 27, 2013 at 8:53 am)Drich Wrote: The vast majority of the problems you have with genesis is that the God depicted in the bible does not align with the picture of God you hold in your mind. In short you were never taught to worship the God of the bible. You were given a picture of God in your religion, and assumed it is correct. But, when you compared that religious picture of God to what is written in the bible, you found it to be in error.

Your problem is not with Genesis. It is with who you think God to be, and because you can not reconcile your personal understanding of God with the description of God found in the bible, you assume the bible is in error. If you took the time to take an honest look at the God of the bible and build your understanding of God off of the bible alone you would not find error nor contradiction.

The sad thing is you no doubt think this good advice.

(August 27, 2013 at 8:53 am)Drich Wrote: The vast majority of the problems you have with genesis is that the God depicted in the bible does not align with the picture of God you hold in your mind. In short you were never taught to worship the God of the bible. You were given a picture of God in your religion, and assumed it is correct. But, when you compared that religious picture of God to what is written in the bible, you found it to be in error.

Your problem is not with Genesis. It is with who you think God to be, and because you can not reconcile your personal understanding of God with the description of God found in the bible, you assume the bible is in error. If you took the time to take an honest look at the God of the bible and build your understanding of God off of the bible alone you would not find error nor contradiction.

Whoever claims to have created reality needs to be able to face up to reality. The bible needs to be compared to reality and hold its own. It obviously fails to do so. This is inexcusable for a supposed creator.

Of course you'd encourage people to look at the bible alone. Look at what god claims to do rather than the reality god claims to be responsible for. From reality I tend to think that god is quite the monster. But even if you disagree with my assessment, you did claim that god will be willing to give people deadly diseases just to prove a point. I'm afraid that's too immoral and distasteful for us, as I doubt many on this forum would willingly infect someone with AIDS just to prove a point.

I don't think many will want to be friends with your god let alone worship him.

(August 27, 2013 at 9:17 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(August 27, 2013 at 8:53 am)Drich Wrote: The vast majority of the problems you have with genesis is that the God depicted in the bible does not align with the picture of God you hold in your mind. In short you were never taught to worship the God of the bible. You were given a picture of God in your religion, and assumed it is correct. But, when you compared that religious picture of God to what is written in the bible, you found it to be in error.

Your problem is not with Genesis. It is with who you think God to be, and because you can not reconcile your personal understanding of God with the description of God found in the bible, you assume the bible is in error. If you took the time to take an honest look at the God of the bible and build your understanding of God off of the bible alone you would not find error nor contradiction.

Whoever claims to have created reality needs to be able to face up to reality. The bible needs to be compared to reality and hold its own. It obviously fails to do so. This is inexcusable for a supposed creator.

Of course you'd encourage people to look at the bible alone. Look at what god claims to do rather than the reality god claims to be responsible for. From reality I tend to think that god is quite the monster. But even if you disagree with my assessment, you did claim that god will be willing to give people deadly diseases just to prove a point. I'm afraid that's too immoral and distasteful for us, as I doubt many on this forum would willingly infect someone with AIDS just to prove a point.

I don't think many will want to be friends with your god let alone worship him.

Bang on the nail - @Drich and @GC I pose a challenge for both of you to prove your theory correct.

I felt I blasphemed because I said the 'Holy Spirit was like a Demon' in the context that they shared afew common attributes 'Spritual Beings / Both Control People / One is Good the Other is Evil (antonym)' So I challenge you to agree with me on that statement. If you dont believe it was blasphemy then you will have no problem.

If you think that its unbelief until death then you shouldent have a problem agreeing with the context of my sentance. I am not saying one is Equal to the other just that they both are similar on afew things.

If you cannot agree on that then I cannot follow your God, If you both agree that what I said there was Theologicially correct you may well be in with a Chance to winning me back! Over to you.

Thanks @Pineapple and @Captain Colostomy you folks speak sense

Why worry about hell? We all know what causes pain in our bodies, namely electrical impulses which travel through our nervous system. When we die, if there is an afterlife we leave our nervous system behind. How would it be possible to feel pain in an afterlife in a non corporeal existence?