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Not again! -- Encouragement Please
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RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please
(August 27, 2013 at 9:42 am)themonkeyman Wrote: ... @Drich and @GC I pose a challenge for both of you to prove your theory correct.

I felt I blasphemed because I said the 'Holy Spirit was like a Demon' in the context that they shared afew common attributes 'Spritual Beings / Both Control People / One is Good the Other is Evil (antonym)' So I challenge you to agree with me on that statement. If you dont believe it was blasphemy then you will have no problem.

If you think that its unbelief until death then you shouldent have a problem agreeing with the context of my sentance. I am not saying one is Equal to the other just that they both are similar on afew things.

If you cannot agree on that then I cannot follow your God, If you both agree that what I said there was Theologicially correct you may well be in with a Chance to winning me back! Over to you.

First of all I have no theory, what I have is what scripture says and I will not reject it to satisfy your self destructive attitude. The Holy Spirit has nothing in common with Satan, the Holy Spirit is God, taking part in the creation making Him part of the creator. Lucifer was created by God, so he is under God's will, that means the Holy Spirit has authority over Lucifer, ie. Satan.
You say Satan is a spiritual being, how do you know this? Neither have control over you, only what you allow, if you reject Christ exactly why would Satan need to waste time on you, however if you have accepted Christ, Satan has an agenda with you, right? The one thing I'll agree with you, the Holy Spirit is pure Good and Satan is pure evil, that's obvious to anyone who honestly reads scripture.
I do not have to agree with what's not true and I want, why you insist I do is beyond me. I'm not here to win you to anything, I want force you to believe whatever you do not want to, I will tell you, you are wrong when I see you are. What you say is not theologically correct, God may not strive with you till the day you die, He will give you more than enough chances to accept Christ, if you refuse enough times God may withdraw the Holy Spirit's conviction then you can say you've blasphemed the Holy Spirit. As long as you feel guilt the Holy Spirit is still working with you, the day you do not care may be the day it's to late. If the calling of the God who has authority over all of this universe is not enough for you then there is nothing I can do to convince you that grace was all over you and you rejected it, the rejection of the Holy Spirit is the blasphemy.

(August 27, 2013 at 4:13 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: Hey,

I am not saying this at all - You say that people here do not care for my eternal life but you have to first explain why there is no strong evidence of Jesus. I read the Bible like most Christians every day but I never *Got* it! Until I took a step back and looked at it objectively.

Alot of people here were Ex-Christians so you cannot say they do not care about my well being, If God is Just and fair he will understand completely my angle. He will see that I have studied hard on his faulty word and that I cannot love someone that 'MEN' paint as a tyrant.

Perhaps God is a loving person but the bible does not make him out to be loving at all - Quite the opposite. Understand these people who do not care about me - Well do you think perhaps they would be the first to give me a genuine answer with no Apologetic twisting to make it fit.

You say that you are surprised - Try saying that when members of your family die in Unbelief. I would rather give God the middle finger than to worship him knowing hes letting my loved ones roast in Hell. Just so that I can spend the rest of eternity worshiping him to tell him how great he is for being so 'Just??'.

When I meet the Father at Judgement I will be pointing the blame not at Jesus or the Holy Spirit but directly at him! Actually how do you know it wont do me any good to blame God? Sure if hes going to condemn me to hell why not give him the finger? You forget that throughout the OT god found sinners righteous! Take Noah and his family! were they the only non sinners in the entire world?

I think a God that created us and allowed us to fall from Grace has to take part of the blame. I never once asked him for Life and I never once told him I want to goto hell but I sure as heck dont want to goto heaven either. So why is it one or the other.

Free Will - That I make my own decisions

God != Free Will (e.g. Belief = Heaven / Non Belief = Hell) How is that free will? Its the same as having a gun pointed to your head and someone going you can either do as I say or I shoot you - But dont worry you have free will to make this decision. At that point although its free will its not true free will as the decision is either in favour of the person or not in which that same person can make their mind up on how to punish you for not taking their decision.

I was a Christian and this is where the problem was - I prayed to God and asked him for help! None was received - You can say that I didn't hear him or whatever but none was received.

Did you ever ask the Holy Spirit to guide you when you read scriptures, did you try and study with others. Were you looking for an insurance policy to keep you out of hell, that's not becoming a Christian that's using God for your own purpose, that would be a reason you have failed at understanding scripture. Christians have the Holy Spirit to help in understanding scripture and if you do not use this help then it to could be rejecting the Holy Spirit, remember Christ said the Holy Spirit is our counselor and helper. I've given you the option of my help, if you want it PM me if not then you will be in the hands of God's judgement, if you do not seek Him anymore. Please consider carefully, because hell may be far worse than fire and brimstone, actually fire could be the more pleasant option. The guilt you show means the Holy Spirit is still working with you!

Smile GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Messages In This Thread
Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by themonkeyman - August 26, 2013 at 9:12 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Psykhronic - August 26, 2013 at 9:28 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 26, 2013 at 9:45 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Tonus - August 26, 2013 at 9:55 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 26, 2013 at 9:55 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by downbeatplumb - August 26, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Walking Void - August 26, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by freedomfromforum - August 26, 2013 at 11:45 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by CleanShavenJesus - August 26, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Jackalope - August 27, 2013 at 2:25 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by bladevalant546 - August 26, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 26, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Godschild - August 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Ryantology - August 26, 2013 at 11:33 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Godschild - August 26, 2013 at 10:27 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by CapnAwesome - August 26, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by themonkeyman - August 26, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by JesusHChrist - August 26, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Godschild - August 26, 2013 at 11:06 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Paraselene - August 26, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Godschild - August 26, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Paraselene - August 26, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Godschild - August 26, 2013 at 11:47 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by themonkeyman - August 27, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Godschild - August 27, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 27, 2013 at 8:53 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by themonkeyman - August 27, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 27, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Godschild - August 27, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 27, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Paraselene - August 27, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 27, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Ryantology - August 27, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Doubting Thomas - August 27, 2013 at 11:30 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by themonkeyman - August 27, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 27, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Esquilax - August 28, 2013 at 7:26 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 28, 2013 at 8:05 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Esquilax - August 28, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Paraselene - August 28, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Tonus - August 28, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Esquilax - August 28, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by themonkeyman - August 28, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Godschild - August 28, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by FallentoReason - August 28, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: Not again! -- Encouragement Please - by Drich - August 28, 2013 at 1:00 pm

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