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I have a question
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RE: I have a question
(August 29, 2013 at 7:33 pm)yoleeena Wrote: Okay, so atheists say the universe started with a Big Bang, which I don't disagree with BUT
The 'thing' that exploded or whatever to create the universe, where did that come from?
I mean, everything has to come from somewhere right? As in, you can produce something from nothing, because you had nothing to work with to start with. This is what my common says tells me anyway

So yeah, that tiny thing that exploded, it must have come from somewhere so how do atheists explain this?

Ok, the truth is scientists DONT KNOW, if there was something or nothing prior to the "singularity". But Steven Hawkins has said " A GOD IS NOT REQUIRED"

Theists stupidly assume a "who" as the starting point. The problem with a cognition being the starting point is the problem of infinite regress. If that "who" is complex that started all this, then something prior to that "who" had to start that would be even more complex, thus then something even more complex than that "who" had to start that "who" and then something even more complex had to start that "who".

Now if everything has a cognitive cause, then why shouldn't you buy the god Thor making lightening? Why shouldn't a hurricane be caused by the ocean god Posiden if everything requires a cognition?

Or wouldn't it make more sense that humans make up gods because they reflect the personal and cultural desires of the societies that concoct them?

The truth is that you want a god to be real. The truth is it is nothing more than YOU avoiding your finite existence and in want of a utopia that does not exist.

The truth is you accept, the silliness of prior cultures praying to volcanos. The truth is that you accept that the sun is not a god, like the Ancient Egyptians falsely believed for 3,000 years.

I'd suggest that if you can life your life without believing in Horus, or Apollo or Thor, or Vishnu, or Allah, then you need to consider that your "god" is nothing more than the wishful thinking in your own head.

I consider "all this" as being a "what" not a "who". Much like a volcano is a what, and a hurricane is a what. So to me the argument of infinite vs finite is a bullshit distraction. Science is pointing in both cases, which it has not settled on, that in either case, there does not have to be a programer or designer or god. Our best evidence right now is that we are in a giant weather pattern, which is both chaos and order in which neither require the childish gap answer of ancient superstition in the form of god/s which are nothing but a reflection of our own narcissism.
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I have a question - by yoleeena - August 29, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RE: I have a question - by Minimalist - August 29, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: I have a question - by yoleeena - August 29, 2013 at 7:49 pm
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RE: I have a question - by yoleeena - August 29, 2013 at 8:00 pm
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RE: I have a question - by Silver - August 29, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: I have a question - by yoleeena - August 29, 2013 at 8:12 pm
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RE: I have a question - by Minimalist - August 29, 2013 at 8:16 pm
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RE: I have a question - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 29, 2013 at 7:52 pm
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RE: I have a question - by Minimalist - August 29, 2013 at 7:54 pm
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RE: I have a question - by yoleeena - August 29, 2013 at 7:53 pm
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