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(September 9, 2013 at 1:05 am)max-greece Wrote: Righteous Jews used to go to heaven. Now, apparently, because they didn't buy in to the Jesus thing, they don't.
That's a rule change. You can be righteous and reject Jesus or are you going to redefine righteous too, now.
Righteous Jews still go to Heaven now... Revelation 7 God simply gets to decide who is and who is not righteous, Just as He did before.
(September 9, 2013 at 1:17 am)Ryantology Wrote: First, God decided to kill all the evil people, the majority never knowing why they died. Then, he decided to make a law so that everybody would know why he was killing them and try to avoid doing those things, even though he made that virtually impossible. Then he decided to save the human race with a savior.
What I see is a Perfect God trying everything he can to get people to pay attention to him and failing, short of actually doing something useful and beneficial. I mean, it's great that you're saving us from a doom you personally engineered and could entirely avert with no effort, but I have a brain and as such, I'm not satisfied with that.
then use it.
How if you indeed have a brain can you say any of the things you have asserted above that the bible does not support, and then hold your conclusions from the straw man you have constructed against the God of the bible?
Maybe you should have said you have an imagination, and will illogically use your imaginings to give yourself a reason not to worship God.
(September 9, 2013 at 1:10 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Christianity is nothing but redefining what it means to be righteous. Not that they'll admit it - I fully expect one to come along and tell me I'm wrong.
Not my problem.
If the definition of 'Righteous' was established in the time of Moses through the Law, and subsequently in the time of Christ to include believers who seek attonement 2000 years ago, then how is it that Christianity has changed the modern understanding of the word?
wouldn't basic logic dictate that it is pop culture who has deviated from the 2000 year old definition of Righteousness? and not the other way round? After all, which definition came first?
I'm.......I'm.......I'm.......in....shock.
Did I just see a Christian confirm that righteous Jews go to heaven?
Erm......where the fuck were you when the Jews were being massacred in York, or during the Inquisition, or the Crusades, or.......
And whilst we are on the subject - if righteous Jews get to go to heaven anyway - just as they always did - what benefit did Jesus offer them? Could you get in being a bit less righteous than you could on your own? Suddenly it seems no great loss to them that they rejected Jesus - he didn't offer anything worthwhile.
Hang on.....if Righteous Jews get to go to heaven, what about Righteous Moslems or Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs .....
