(September 10, 2013 at 12:15 pm)John V Wrote:(September 10, 2013 at 9:53 am)missluckie26 Wrote: JohnV, where's your proof that an intelligent being created the universe?missluckie, you granted that for purposes of this discussion:
"Let's assume for sake of argument that you're right, god exists, and god created the system now in place."
JohnV Wrote:The god of the Bible has superior mental ability to ours, so he has rights over us.You stated this, I asked for proof of intelligence.
missluckie26 Wrote:I have lots of evidence to claim otherwise.
I do. I'm more interested in you explaining why you believe there is intelligent design. If everything was created by god, there would surely be signs pointing to design since there would be a designer. I've been going over quite a bit of knowledge about nature and evolution; I'd like to get your side of the story.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.