(September 12, 2013 at 11:17 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Um, wrong. The definition of science is learning about the natural world through observation and experiment. Therefore, you can't go making supernatural claims without proof. Science has a set of rules for all evidence to follow, and if you start claiming miracles or making up explanations that fall outside the realm of the natural world, that is, a supernatural explanation, it's not science. You're just making shit up and expecting people to accept your explanation without evidence.
Again, you’re conflating methodological naturalism with general science. Creationism is not methodological naturalism, you’re absolutely right; but that does not mean it’s not science. Creationists do not postulate that miracles are the explanation for what we observe in our operational sciences, so that was a mischaracterization on your part. God is always governing His creation, so to rule out any explanation that involves divine agency would be to rule out all explanations. Science does not presuppose naturalism.
Quote: Read that again.
Read what again?
Quote: It's not science, it's making shit up. You want biblical creationism to be science? Fine. First prove God exists, then prove that the only way the universe could have come about is because he made it. And trying to poke holes in the Big Bang theory is not proof that your idea is correct.
Science does not deal with proof. The proof of God’s existence is a matter of deduction. Science presupposes that God exists because it presupposes regularity in Nature. By championing naturalism all you are doing is undermining the very foundation for all science. Not only is creationism science, but it is the only logically defensible and internally consistent form of science. Other scientists must steal their axiomatic beliefs from the creationist.
Quote: That's how science is done. It's not saying, "Well this was written in an old book that a lot of people believe is true today" and claiming that is proof.
Science does not deal with proof.
Quote:Please cite the observations and experiments which show that God speaking the universe into existence is the only rational explanation for how the universe came about.
It is even simpler than that, the very act of science proves that God spoke the Universe into existence. If the Universe was purely natural, science would not be possible.