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Can raw energy create Order
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RE: Can raw energy create Order
(September 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm)John V Wrote:
(September 16, 2013 at 8:38 am)Esquilax Wrote: Do you understand how two concepts can be related without being connected?
No.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/related?s=t

re·lat·ed
adjective
1.
associated; connected.
Quote:Without one depending on the other?
Evolution surely depends on abiogenesis.
Quote:Abiogenesis is the best current theory for the origins of life, in that it has some degree of theoretical scaffolding and experimental results to its name. Evolution is the- entirely confirmed and factual- theory regarding the diversity of extant life; to the degree that they are connected at all in a scientific sense, it is down to this.
Are you saying that abiogenesis is entirely confirmed and factual? You did call it a theory.
Quote:Creationists tend to conflate the two and somewhat dominate the conversation about evolution in the public sphere, but they are different concepts for those with intellectual honesty.
It would depend on the abiogenesis model. If the model involves something that's self-replicating, then abiogenesis and evolution are part of the same continuum, with a somewhat arbitrary dividing line called "life" drawn in somewhere. If you're intellectually honest.

You have a point to a certain extent BUT:

A: Abiogenesis: How life started from non-life
B: Evolution: What happened next.

So evolution does not rely on abiogenesis because you could insert some other thing at A and not invalidate B.

We know B happens and were pretty certain A happened but we don't have proof of A just theories and a few experiments that support the idea and what do we like before we believe in something.
Starts with an E you've heard us mention it before.



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Can raw energy create Order - by Christian - September 14, 2013 at 6:11 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Bad Wolf - September 14, 2013 at 6:40 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by John V - September 14, 2013 at 11:34 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Bad Wolf - September 14, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by John V - September 16, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Bad Wolf - September 16, 2013 at 8:21 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Esquilax - September 16, 2013 at 8:38 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by John V - September 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by downbeatplumb - September 16, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by John V - September 16, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Esquilax - September 16, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by John V - September 16, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Esquilax - September 17, 2013 at 4:40 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by MindForgedManacle - September 16, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Mister Agenda - September 16, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 14, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Ryantology - September 14, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Simon Moon - September 14, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Ryantology - September 14, 2013 at 9:21 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by AtheistCreed - September 14, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by downbeatplumb - September 15, 2013 at 7:19 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Mister Agenda - September 16, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by LastPoet - September 14, 2013 at 6:41 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Darwinian - September 14, 2013 at 7:17 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by pocaracas - September 14, 2013 at 7:26 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Whateverist - September 14, 2013 at 7:36 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Faith No More - September 14, 2013 at 8:17 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Psykhronic - September 14, 2013 at 9:25 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Minimalist - September 14, 2013 at 10:56 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by freedomfromforum - September 14, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by LastPoet - September 14, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by LastPoet - September 14, 2013 at 11:40 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Cyberman - September 14, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by MindForgedManacle - September 14, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Cyberman - September 14, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by AtheistCreed - September 14, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 14, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by LastPoet - September 14, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Max_Kolbe - September 14, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Esquilax - September 15, 2013 at 1:49 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Nightfoot92 - September 15, 2013 at 7:56 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by NoraBrimstone - September 15, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by AtheistCreed - September 15, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Psykhronic - September 16, 2013 at 8:35 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by gall - September 16, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Anomalocaris - September 16, 2013 at 8:57 am
Re: RE: Can raw energy create Order - by NoraBrimstone - September 16, 2013 at 11:14 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Zone - September 16, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Bad Wolf - September 16, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by ThomM - September 16, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Zone - September 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Angrboda - September 16, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Zone - September 16, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by ThomM - September 16, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Doubting Thomas - September 17, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Rev. Rye - September 16, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: Can raw energy create Order - by Faith No More - September 16, 2013 at 4:32 pm

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