(September 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm)John V Wrote: No.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/related?s=t
re·lat·ed
adjective
1.
associated; connected.
How about instead of quibbling over definitions, you just take my point that evolution and abiogenesis are not the same thing?
Quote:Evolution surely depends on abiogenesis.
Nope: evolution can take place even within the constraints of an intelligently designed system. That's why we can breed dogs. Theistic evolution is a thing many christians accept, and there's also the idea of directed panspermia. The fact that evolution takes place isn't in doubt; it's confirmed, it's directly observable, and can be reproduced by anyone given enough inclination and money. Abiogenesis doesn't have the same level of support, which should be your first hint that they do not rely upon one another.
Disproving one would not disprove the other.
Quote:Are you saying that abiogenesis is entirely confirmed and factual? You did call it a theory.
No, I'm saying that evolution is entirely confirmed and factual, and it is: Check it.
And don't get me started on this theory/fact crap again: Educate yourself.
Quote:It would depend on the abiogenesis model. If the model involves something that's self-replicating, then abiogenesis and evolution are part of the same continuum, with a somewhat arbitrary dividing line called "life" drawn in somewhere. If you're intellectually honest.
Hmm... kind of. I'm actually having a hard time putting my objection here into words, but I think the issue here is that the two processes that really aren't alike; evolution is a thing that only happens to living organisms, after all. By definition, it's a process that occurs within already formed life, whilst abiogenesis is all about the formation of life.
The moment that life starts replicating, it starts evolving, but there's still no direct requirement that both be present for evolution to be true.
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