RE: Can raw energy create Order
September 16, 2013 at 3:51 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2013 at 3:58 pm by MindForgedManacle.)
(September 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm)John V Wrote: No.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/related?s=t
re·lat·ed
adjective
1.
associated; connected.
They are associated, NOT the same. Learn what words mean.
Quote:Evolution surely depends on abiogenesis.
Only in the sense that for biological evolution to take place there needs to have been an abiogenesis event. However, that still shows your original statement that abiogenesis and evolution are the same is clearly false.
Quote:Are you saying that abiogenesis is entirely confirmed and factual? You did call it a theory.
If he called it a theory - in the scientific sense - then he's wrong. It's a hypothesis with several different propositions as to how it took place and has growing evidence for it, but a hypothesis nonetheless.
Quote:It would depend on the abiogenesis model. If the model involves something that's self-replicating, then abiogenesis and evolution are part of the same continuum, with a somewhat arbitrary dividing line called "life" drawn in somewhere. If you're intellectually honest.
"Part of the same continuum" is not equivalent to "are the same thing" as you earlier claimed. The problem is that (in the abiogenic models I've seen anyway) what is self-replicating are somewhat complex molecules behaving in ways predictable by chemical law. It's not clear when something 'becomes' alive, but that sort of vagueness is observable with many definitions of phenomena.
A good intro. series to the subject:
"The Origin of Life (Abiogenesis) - Dr. Jack Szostak":
