(September 16, 2013 at 4:17 pm)Drich Wrote:What if it was totally indistinguishable from his non existence.(September 16, 2013 at 2:51 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: First off that is circular logic. Second of all when I was a Christian that is exactly what I did. I prayed for proof, to make me a better Christian and to strengthen my faith for months on end. You can guess at the results. Nothing, nottah, zippo
Have you considered that before God can show you proof you must first go through a process of "Questioning all things and hold on to what is good?" (and discard the rest.) Because if you have a wrong Idea of God and then you receive 'proof' of God then wouldn't that fortify the idea of God you already had? What if God did not want you to have that idea of Him in the first place?
How then is it unreasonable to assume that a systematic wholesale questioning of everything you believe is not first ordered or mandated by God? is essence your current atheism? Which if you are honest and truly seek answers, God will see to it you have them. He did for me. The only thing He requires in return is that you are faithful to those answers. Meaning you do not disregaurd them simply because you want to simply not believe in God.
(September 16, 2013 at 3:52 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: You mean righteous acts like murdering gays?
So me a command where Christians are commanded to kill gays.
(September 16, 2013 at 4:11 pm)Stimbo Wrote: This thread is very Shakespeareian: "It is a tale told by an idiot; full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
The sound and fury in this case being total insistence on presuppositionalism and determination to abdicate responsibilty for the burden of proof. Drich, if you actually had any such proof, you wouldn't be trying anything like this hard. That's why our bullshit meters are shooting off the scale.
Actually no. God is responsiable for the burden of proof. I am only responsiable to tell you how to petition God for that 'proof.'
(September 16, 2013 at 4:12 pm)Rationalman Wrote: And that is relevant how?
Even if that was true, does that somehow make your god the one and true god? Because he says so?
To 'our' discussion? it's not. That is why it is best for you to color on your own paper, and not on your neighbors.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
