RE: Part 3
September 18, 2013 at 2:34 pm
(This post was last modified: September 18, 2013 at 2:38 pm by Drich.)
(September 18, 2013 at 9:28 am)Waratah Wrote:(September 18, 2013 at 8:25 am)Drich Wrote: Read the parable again sport. It tells you to Ask, Seek, and Knock=A/S/K not just ask.
I will highlight the parts for you that tells you what you have to do to receive, not to find or open a door.
5 And He said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’? 8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs. 9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread[d] from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
So as you can see you only have to ask to receive. You do not need to seek or knock to receive. So I say again the above is bullshit because I asked and did not receive.
you are cherry picking. In the context of the story the persistant neighbor did not stop at asking. It was a 3 fold effort that yielded results, or does that not matter because you highlighted bits of the story and pasted them together to make a new story?
Again if you want to test or take God up on His promise then you have to follow the instructions as written. In the Story Jesus told the neighbor Asked, Sought and Knocked. He did not just Ask. Matter of fact in the story when the neighbor asked he was told to piss off.
How do you reconcile that with your account of this parable?
(September 18, 2013 at 9:38 am)Stimbo Wrote: Even if this "Ask, Seek and Knock" thing was valid, that's not how searching for knowledge works.Maybe because you are not searching for 'knowledge.' You are A/S/K-ing for the Holy Spirit to be in your life.
Quote: First you would have to Seek the person before you could possibly Knock on his door and Ask. How else could you even know that the person exists or where his door is? In other words, it's that favourite little con trick of the neo-fundy: presuppositionalism, making its umpteenth showing in this thread alone.
We ask in prayer
We seek in the bible, Church, and asking questions in places like this
We knock by repeating this process
(September 18, 2013 at 9:42 am)Texas Sailor Wrote:(September 18, 2013 at 8:25 am)Drich Wrote: What I believe is God puts a god shaped hole in all of our hearts, and itis up to us to fill that hole with God.
What's more apparent is that you have a hole in your understanding of reality, and you've taken it upon yourself to fill that hole with God.
Whether or not the hole is God shaped seems to be irrelevent to you, as you seem to have no problem forcing it in, even when it doesn't fit.
(September 18, 2013 at 9:38 am)Stimbo Wrote: Even if this "Ask, Seek and Knock" thing was valid, that's not how searching for knowledge works. First you would have to Seek the person before you could possibly Knock on his door and Ask. How else could you even know that the person exists or where his door is? In other words, it's that favourite little con trick of the neo-fundy: presuppositionalism, making its umpteenth showing in this thread alone.
Indeed, but what motivates one to seek that which has no sign of existing in the first place?
Ask/ (Who or What exactly?)
/Seek/ (Why, and Seek what?)
/Knock (What the fuck are you talking about?)
The whole concept is intellectually bankrupt.
see above