A small thanks to the resident Theists..

[Mystical]

Aractus,

Here's the case backing up what I said in my original posts, which I have since laid out for your brethren. Any objections, feel free to let me know. Otherwise, I don't care that you don't care.

But the Bible never says that hell is for not following the Bible.

I thought it was sort of self evident that if the Bible says don't lie, and you lie without remorse and supplication for forgiveness through Christ like the Bible says to (unless you're an orthodox jew and don't accept the New Testament): you're going to hell. Thus the: if you don't do as the Bible says (ask for forgiveness from Christ for your sins), you're going to hell comment. Please explain why my reasoning is not right according to you.

Also, fiction is fiction is fiction unless you can prove that it isn't.


The Bible is the Word of God. God is unerring, therefore the Bible is unerring.

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I've already given you proof that the bible says eternal when referring to hell. If everyone in your religion but you believes in it, that's not my fault.

To quote your own brethren,

"Thus says the Lord" occurs over 400 times in the Old Testament.
"God said" occurs 42 times in the Old Testament and four times in the New Testament.
"God spoke" occurs 9 times in the Old Testament and 3 times in the New Testament.
"The Spirit of the Lord spoke" through people in 2 Sam. 23:2; 1 Kings 22:24; 2 Chron. 20:14.

Luke 24:44-45, "Now He said to them, 'These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.' 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. "

Notice that Jesus speaks about what is written regarding him in the Old Testament. Then Luke writes that Jesus opened their mind to understand the Scriptures. What Scriptures? The Law (Moses), the Prophets, and the Psalms. This was a common designation for the Old Testament. Therefore, Jesus says that the written form of the Old Testament is Scripture.

Matt 15:6, "he is not to honor his father or his mother. And thus you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition."
Mark 7:13, "thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
John 10:35 “If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)."

Jesus never said the scriptures contain the word of God. He said they were the word of God.

1 Cor. 4:6, "Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other."
It is the written form that is proclaimed as being Scripture, unbreakable, the word of God, and the standard of which we are not to exceed. This can only be true, if the written form is the Word of God, not just something that subjectively contains the word of God.

2 Tim. 3:16-17 says, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

The word "inspired" is literally "God-breathed." This is an interesting phrase, since it implies that the Scriptures are from the mouth of God.

Likewise, Peter says in 2 Pet. 1:21, "for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." Notice that Peter is stating that prophecy is not the product of human will. Instead, prophecy occurs by those moved by the Holy Spirit.

God spoke through the mouth of the prophets. We see in Acts 3:18, "But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ should suffer, He has thus fulfilled." Clearly, Luke, the writer of Acts, understood the Old Testament Scriptures to be spoken by God through the prophets. In fact, we find other references to the Old Testament referring to God speaking through the prophets.

Words spoken through the prophet Jeremiah are referenced in Matt. 2:17, 27:9.
Words spoken through the prophet Isaiah are referenced in Matt. 1:22, 8:17; John 12:37-40.
Words spoken through the prophets Moses and Hosea are referenced in Matt. 2:15.
Words spoken through the prophet David are referenced in Matt. 13:34-35.
Words spoken through the prophet Zechariah are referenced in Matt. 21:4.
Words spoken through the prophets generically are referenced in Matt. 26:56.

See more! At: http://carm.org/bible-isnt-word-god-it-c...s-word-god

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