(September 25, 2013 at 12:08 am)catfish Wrote:(September 24, 2013 at 11:07 am)Airyaman Wrote: Is this what passes for responses around here from theists? OK, so you aren't going to be doing your god any favors...
What did you expect? I asked earlier if you claimed to know the context to which you answered "no".
I showed you your response to my direct question about whether or not you'd read the entire chapter. You claimed to have and that nothing in the context blah blah blah.
I wanted to know if your denial of knowing the context and your incorrect/incomplete information about it was an honest mistake, stupidity or a lie.
Your response makes me think stupidity, but my gut say liar...
What's sad is that in or out of context, the result is the same. There really isn't any context in that passage that would change the meaning. The writer did not point to any known group, he simply stated that many deceivers have gone out in to the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. He then says those people are deceivers and antichrist. Anyone who grasps the English language should understand this. With the exception of yourself of course.
But you want context? Sure, here's some: the writer uses the term "antichrist" more than once.
1Jn_2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.
Now if you do read more than just those verses, it does appear that the writer is speaking of someone specifically, however, you can see a running theme of identifying "antichrist" with those who basically deny Jesus is Christ and is from God. How many atheists do you know that actually confess those things?
It seems there are Christians out there who agree with this. For example, http://doverchurchofchrist.info/wp-conte...2-John.pdf for instance, where the writer identifies Muslims, atheists, agnostics and even Catholics (among others) as these "deceivers".
So one has to ask, do atheists fit into the category of "those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh", yes or no? Such a simple question to answer, let's see if you can do it.