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Why atheism is irrational
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RE: Why atheism is irrational
(September 26, 2013 at 8:12 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote:
(September 26, 2013 at 8:05 pm)pocaracas Wrote: It seems we have a language barrier here. Vinny, I your own words, what does it mean for something to be rational or irrational?

In the context of atheism, in particular my argument,

I believe atheism as a position to be rational if it is arrived at through sound reasoning.

In light of that, we ask "What is the probability that children prize sound reasoning over other forms of arriving at knowledge/truth?" "What is the probability that children USE sound reasoning as opposed to adults?" "What is the probability that people who are so preoccupied with hate and anger base their philosophical views on hate and anger as opposed to reason?"

That's my methodology here.

Now I've granted before and I'll grant again that this doesn't let me conclude that ALL atheists are irrational. But I think we can assign some meaningful probability estimates such that the probabilities are significantly low given the factors I've mentioned.

(September 26, 2013 at 8:10 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Non sequitur... and atheism it's not a belief... it's a lack of belief.

Edit:dammit, ninjaed by rationalman.

Actually, being an atheist logically entails the belief that atheism is true.
You seem to be working under the assumption that people are born as believers and then proceed to reason out of such belief.
I grant that some people are made to believe at a very early age, and then realize that that belief doesn't make sense... even if they don't have all the analytical skills off an adult...they have some and that's enough. Not all people use their skills in the same way, that's why you may see very intelligent people who never managed to remove the religion parasite of their minds.

So, if a person is not born a believer in their parents' religion, then the default position is no belief at all... no reasoning required.

Otoh, what the heck dies this mean? "belief that atheism is true"
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Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Silver - September 24, 2013 at 11:16 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 24, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by artistriley - September 24, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 24, 2013 at 11:53 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Captain Colostomy - September 24, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Minimalist - September 24, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Walking Void - September 24, 2013 at 11:55 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Dragonetti - September 25, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Ryantology - September 25, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Whateverist - September 25, 2013 at 1:23 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Kayenneh - September 25, 2013 at 6:20 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by LastPoet - September 27, 2013 at 9:49 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 27, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by LastPoet - September 27, 2013 at 10:23 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 27, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 25, 2013 at 6:48 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Cyberman - September 25, 2013 at 6:49 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Cyberman - September 25, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by gall - September 25, 2013 at 7:47 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Whateverist - September 25, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by gall - September 25, 2013 at 9:48 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by LastPoet - September 25, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by LastPoet - September 25, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by gall - September 25, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Whateverist - September 25, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by LastPoet - September 25, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Cyberman - September 25, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Faith No More - September 25, 2013 at 9:51 am
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Airyaman - September 25, 2013 at 10:40 am
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Rahul - September 25, 2013 at 10:42 am
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Clueless Morgan - September 25, 2013 at 11:29 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Wolf - September 25, 2013 at 11:29 am
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Kayenneh - September 25, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Cyberman - September 25, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Brian37 - September 26, 2013 at 10:15 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Doubting Thomas - September 26, 2013 at 10:23 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Brian37 - September 26, 2013 at 10:27 am
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Faith No More - September 26, 2013 at 1:30 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Gilgamesh - September 26, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 26, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Wolf - September 26, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 8:05 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Silver - September 26, 2013 at 8:36 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Gilgamesh - September 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Simon Moon - September 26, 2013 at 5:52 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Jackalope - September 26, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Cyberman - September 26, 2013 at 7:26 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 7:43 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Silver - September 26, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Airyaman - September 26, 2013 at 5:59 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Silver - September 26, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Simon Moon - September 26, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Creed of Heresy - September 26, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Wolf - September 26, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Creed of Heresy - September 26, 2013 at 9:36 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Creed of Heresy - September 27, 2013 at 12:46 am
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 26, 2013 at 8:05 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 26, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Silver - September 26, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Wolf - September 26, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 27, 2013 at 5:28 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Wolf - September 26, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Simon Moon - September 26, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Wolf - September 26, 2013 at 9:25 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 26, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Wolf - September 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Writer - September 26, 2013 at 9:21 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 10:00 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Silver - September 26, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Rahul - September 26, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Rahul - September 26, 2013 at 11:00 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 11:06 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Rahul - September 26, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 26, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Rahul - September 27, 2013 at 7:15 am
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Rahul - September 27, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 27, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Rahul - September 27, 2013 at 9:33 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 27, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Silver - September 27, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Jackalope - September 27, 2013 at 9:53 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Captain Colostomy - September 26, 2013 at 9:58 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Cyberman - September 26, 2013 at 10:52 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Gilgamesh - September 27, 2013 at 8:49 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 27, 2013 at 9:55 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 29, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 29, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - September 29, 2013 at 6:00 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - September 29, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by gall - September 30, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - October 1, 2013 at 5:08 am
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Zazzy - October 1, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Writer - October 2, 2013 at 12:07 am
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RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 2, 2013 at 1:02 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Writer - October 2, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Captain Colostomy - October 2, 2013 at 12:55 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Brian37 - October 2, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Creed of Heresy - October 3, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Airyaman - October 3, 2013 at 8:49 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Bad Writer - October 3, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Airyaman - October 3, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - October 9, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 9, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - October 10, 2013 at 3:41 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 10, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by LastPoet - October 10, 2013 at 3:46 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by pocaracas - October 10, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: Why atheism is irrational - by Sword of Christ - October 10, 2013 at 5:39 am
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