RE: Strong Atheism starts from faith
January 20, 2010 at 8:23 am
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2010 at 8:25 am by FaithvsFact.)
(January 20, 2010 at 7:40 am)TruthWorthy Wrote: Fact is theoretically proven "truth", but even theories can be considered fact, provided there is testable evidence to support it;
Faith is belief against the odds (or perceived odds), it requires any amount of defence mechanisms to sustain, such as rationalisation, intellectualisation, projection, displacement ((and they wonder what's wrong with them) I was once like you).
I believe there isn't a god. There's no way to test the existance, there's no way to measure it, and nowhere to look for it. I belief it solely exists in the imagination, in books, statues, etc.
Are you a strong atheist?
(January 20, 2010 at 7:38 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: @ the OP
FaithvsFact - I agree, strong atheism is a faith position.
That is if both 1. if 'strong atheism' is to be defined as 'gnostic atheism' (as opposed to agnostic), or IOW: Atheism that claims that there absolutely is no God (or are no gods) - and 2. Faith is defined as belief without any evidence to support it. Because there indeed is no positive evidence that proves God absolutely doesn't exist (after all, if there was evidence that could do that, it would be going beyond evidence into absolute proof). There is no evidence to support the claim "God absolutely doesn't exist".
Being an agnostic atheist or so-called 'weak atheist' I simply do not believe in God. I do not claim that he absolutely doesn't exist but I think that he almost certainly doesn't for probabilistic reasons.
P.S. On a battle between faith and fact... I'd go with the facts... and that's a fact (well, almost lol - I can't really be absolutely sure of even my own actions) (including 'what I'd go with').
EDIT: I didn't answer your questions because I'm not a strong atheist, but I'd like to anyway.
Ok, as to question 1: I consider the only real 'facts' to be scientific facts... which are 'truths' about reality that are backed up by extremely strong evidence but not absolutely proved - there is no absolute proof in science (nor does there need to be of course, facts are certainly strong enough).
And to question 2: I consider 'faith' to be belief despite the lack of evidence
EvF
Ok thanks for your reply! Some of the strong atheists would object to what you have just written about them but that's ok - I don't claim to say that all atheists are supposed to be united or alike.