(September 27, 2013 at 2:35 pm)Walking Void Wrote:(September 27, 2013 at 1:58 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: There's plenty of theists (trying) to carry the burden of proof, with varying degrees of success, and at the highest level of philosophical discourse.
To simply claim there are none is, I find
-grossly ignorant
-grossly deceptive
-or grossly misunderstood about what the burden of proof entails.
I mean, just because you claim "Theistic argument A is rubbish" doesn't mean it actually is, any more than claiming "Evolution never happened" means evolution never really happened.
I mean, Alvin P, probably one of the greatest Philosophers of Religion alive (and a mentor to my favorite young atheist philosopher Bradley Monton) discussed two dozen, count it again, two dozen theistic arguments in one lecture.
Predictably, you would claim "But they're all crap arguments", much like someone would say "Dude your evidence for a round earth is all crap. Flat-eartherism 4 LYFE!"
But deep down, I hope you won't. I hope you will take the time to refute them one by one. Or, at least recognize that they are worth addressing instead of dismissing out of ignorance.
That's something theists do. Not us.
Maybe it is my style of speech or the way I articulate an idea, but I misphrased my statement as it was misunderstood.
When I said, "But Vinny, theists have the burden of proof, and never carried it.
Instead, they roll the boulder, flattening each other", I meant that theists believe in a god, and that is where they fail prematurely. Theism just accepts god. They "think" it is true. This is what believing and faith does. You just "think" that there is a god. Theists that challenge those arguments (balloon arguments nonetheless), are not even theists. They are agnostic maybe even atheistic to challenge/test the theistic arguments or claims. If You are truly theistic, You never challenge faith and continue thinking the god claim is true. Only people who doubt the idea of god challenge god, none are theists, and this is what I meant to say.
I'm not sure that makes sense because if there was just belief, arguments wouldn't even be necessary. Theists would just be leaving people alone, or forcing them to believe, not resorting to arguments.