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Vig-E-O games
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RE: Vig-E-O games
(January 20, 2010 at 9:53 pm)Pippy Wrote: You don't see the flaw in outsourcing you opinion to the experts?

Do you see a flaw in going to builder when you want to build a house? I don't know how to build a house, i could learn, but this guy's been building them for 30 years, he's the expert.

Quote:You would rather I post some peer-reviewed journal than discuss things on a more personal level that we can all be involved in?

I'm confused as to why you are trying to compare a technical document with a discussion forum.

Quote:So you disagree that TV and video games are in any way bad for you? You yourself said you used to play the majority of the day, and you have also mentioned your emotional problems, don't you think they may be connected? I know a lot of the "emotional disorders" I have are from these modern world influences on my mind.

And what of the people without these emotional disorders who are fully emerged in the modern world? What of the people with emotional disorders who do not play games or watch tv? Once again you demonstrate your appalling lack of context.

Correlation is not causation either Pippy, it may be the case that these disorders existed, in the cases involving video games, before the person developed a bad habit. It seems more likely to me that the people who seek retreat from the world, whether by video games, fiction, etc are more likely to have done so based on some pre-existing problem rather than through the medium in question harming them.

Quote:They did a study in Germany where they offered to pay people to turn off the TV for a year, no one made it more than 6 months. They were lonely and depressed, it's addict behavior. Through my past I have learned (the hardest way) all about unhealthy relationships with objects, and TV and video games are both possibilities.

I just spent a good 10-15 minuets looking for an article of that description with various search parameters, there is nothing remotely close to the study you described in common articles, let alone scientific studies.

Now, you might not be lying... but i'm skeptical.

Quote:You guys keep posting your "proof"and maybe one day you will figure out that truth is relative, and that all that 'the experts know the answers' shit is mind-fuck. You're a very smart guy, yourself and Rhizo. I think you're likely smarter than me, can't you use your own mind to make your own conclusion about this topic?

Do you have any understanding of why we have specialisations and thus experts pippy? It's because there is not enough time in a lifetime to learn 1% of all of the jobs and subjects on the earth, if everyone was trying to do as you do, use their own limited and subjective knowledge and experiences to make statements about everything, if everyone was to focus on every problem they encountered then society would have never got anywhere, no expert scientists to observe and invent, no medical specialists with years of training and hundreds of saved lives under their belts, no teachers trained specifically to make learning easy and memorable for students, no architects designing houses, no accountants balancing books...

We have experts because we can't all know a great deal about everything, e have peer-review journals to reach a consensus amongst experts about the validity of the work as well as a set of standards that verifies and tests the methodologies involved. This scrutinous process may not be perfect, but it is by far the best method ever developed by our species for establishing expert consensus in a way that the public can easily access, a far better method than you trying to be an expert on everything, as if you think you have some level of understanding of these subjects that the experts do not.

You should remember that quoting experts alone is not a good enough test of the validity of the claim, you must also examine what the global community of experts on the subject had to say about their study, if they agreed or disagreed with the conclusions and the methodology and why.

It's easy to find an expert doctor that will support some unproven pseudo-science nonsense, but when you have the scope of thousands of researchers and practitioners who examine and review the claims then you are on your way to seeing all possible critiques and holes in a hypothesis as well as all the areas that it gets right.
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Vig-E-O games - by Dotard - December 23, 2009 at 12:05 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Edwardo Piet - December 23, 2009 at 2:37 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by leo-rcc - December 23, 2009 at 2:55 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Autumnlicious - December 23, 2009 at 10:16 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - December 24, 2009 at 12:29 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Xyster - December 24, 2009 at 1:30 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - December 24, 2009 at 1:58 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Meatball - December 24, 2009 at 9:25 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by littlegrimlin1 - December 24, 2009 at 10:39 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Rhizomorph13 - December 26, 2009 at 11:19 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - December 26, 2009 at 11:31 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by leo-rcc - January 13, 2010 at 6:54 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Meatball - January 14, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Tiberius - January 14, 2010 at 4:34 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 14, 2010 at 10:12 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Lilith_86 - January 15, 2010 at 6:47 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by KichigaiNeko - January 15, 2010 at 6:53 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Edwardo Piet - January 16, 2010 at 7:00 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Dotard - January 14, 2010 at 11:36 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Violet - January 14, 2010 at 11:52 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by lukec - January 15, 2010 at 12:12 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by fr0d0 - January 16, 2010 at 9:02 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Edwardo Piet - January 16, 2010 at 9:14 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 16, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Dotard - January 16, 2010 at 9:14 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - January 17, 2010 at 6:04 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 18, 2010 at 10:26 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Tiberius - January 19, 2010 at 12:03 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Rhizomorph13 - January 19, 2010 at 12:32 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 19, 2010 at 8:59 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - January 19, 2010 at 7:08 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Tiberius - January 19, 2010 at 10:31 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by leo-rcc - January 19, 2010 at 10:36 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 19, 2010 at 11:08 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Tiberius - January 19, 2010 at 2:19 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Rhizomorph13 - January 19, 2010 at 12:30 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Eilonnwy - January 19, 2010 at 2:45 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Meatball - January 19, 2010 at 6:57 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 19, 2010 at 9:23 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - January 19, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 19, 2010 at 9:34 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - January 19, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 19, 2010 at 10:04 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - January 19, 2010 at 10:08 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 19, 2010 at 10:11 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - January 19, 2010 at 10:14 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Rhizomorph13 - January 20, 2010 at 1:26 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 20, 2010 at 8:39 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Tiberius - January 20, 2010 at 10:06 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Rhizomorph13 - January 20, 2010 at 12:34 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Edwardo Piet - January 20, 2010 at 2:10 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 20, 2010 at 9:53 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - January 21, 2010 at 4:18 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Edwardo Piet - January 22, 2010 at 9:09 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Rhizomorph13 - January 20, 2010 at 11:14 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 21, 2010 at 8:12 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Tiberius - January 21, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Dotard - January 21, 2010 at 5:26 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by leo-rcc - January 21, 2010 at 9:19 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Rhizomorph13 - January 21, 2010 at 12:51 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Autumnlicious - January 21, 2010 at 3:18 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Rhizomorph13 - January 21, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Dotard - January 21, 2010 at 11:33 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 21, 2010 at 10:10 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Rob - January 21, 2010 at 10:35 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Tiberius - January 21, 2010 at 10:37 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 22, 2010 at 8:31 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Meatball - January 22, 2010 at 10:49 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Edwardo Piet - January 22, 2010 at 10:50 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by theVOID - January 22, 2010 at 10:52 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Edwardo Piet - January 22, 2010 at 10:56 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by leo-rcc - January 22, 2010 at 11:26 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Edwardo Piet - January 23, 2010 at 6:13 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Dotard - January 22, 2010 at 11:30 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 22, 2010 at 10:07 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Dotard - January 23, 2010 at 11:05 am
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 23, 2010 at 2:48 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Dotard - January 24, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: Vig-E-O games - by Pippy - January 24, 2010 at 1:02 pm

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