(October 2, 2013 at 10:16 am)Tortino Wrote:(October 2, 2013 at 9:52 am)paulpablo Wrote: There definitely is conflict you would have to be blind to not see it.
Lets continue to use your analogy, now imagine the man who found the car insisted the steering wheel was made in a certain way in a certain factory and anyone who said he was wrong was going to be punished in excruciating pain forever.
I am not sure how this is relevant to my argument.
The people investigating the car actually find out the man was wrong and it wasn't made in the way he thought or in the place he thought, but the first man who found the car still insists the investigators are wrong.
This becomes a different question. Not a question of was it designed? As you notice in my analogy, he has never seen a car before, never had any concept on one...So how can he think it would be different if he never had any concept on one?
(October 2, 2013 at 10:13 am)max-greece Wrote: We are discussing why religion and science are actually at odds.
What has "Sure, but can you really compare that to the extreme complexity of a single human cell? Let alone the human body?" got to do with it?
Would you agree that as a general rule of thumb, the more complex something appears, the more likely it is designed?
Compare that rock formation you showed to if you saw written on the beach "I love you sandy"?
No. Compared to a hurricane, a single cloud is less complex, a hurricane is more complex, but you are not stupid enough to think the ocean god Posiden exists and caused that complex hurricane because of the complexity of a hurricane.
If you can accept that Thor does not make lightening, surely you can see the absurdity of your own pet god claim.
"I love you Sandy" wow, ok what if the rocks said "FUCK YOU"
See you focus on the "pretty things" ignoring the nasty shit in nature. Childhood cancer(cancer is complex). Ecoli(complex bacteria).
Why do cockroaches outnumber humans? Why do eagles have better eyesight than humans? Why do men have nipples?
You do know that a giraffe has a useless nerve that goes from one ear, all the way down the neck, then back up to the other ear. Isn't the fastest path a straight line?
Oh and my personal fave comes from Christopher Hitchens on the issue of "design ". "He put an entertainment system(our sex organs) in the middle of a sewage system".
Not to mention in his perfect "design" we breath and eat through the same tube which means we can choke to death if our breathing tube gets blocked. Yet dolphins and whales don't have that problem.
