(October 2, 2013 at 3:13 pm)John V Wrote: So do you guys. The biggest oversight of this comparison is that god isn't another human being. He's a much greater being who created us.
Here's the thing: I don't care what the bible or you christians say about god. He'll be judged by his actions, not the demands that we bow and scrape and hold him to a different standard.
And his actions are those of a murderous thug, assuming he even exists.
Quote:He gave us everything we have, including our very lives. He doesn't need our consent to govern us.
Actually no, god didn't give me my life. My parents did. Unless you want to lose the free will argument forever, that is.
See, it works like this: god created exactly two human beings, in Adam and Eve. According to your apologetics about free will, Adam and Eve conceived all their children on their own bat, and since this was a conscious choice that they made- like all the evil acts that you want to pin on humans and not god- then god carries no responsibility or credit for an act of conception or childbirth. It's the only way you can retain all your free will apologetics; if god doesn't directly control human actions, then he's in no way responsible for the lives of those created out of those freely chosen actions.
The other option is to lay down free will and say that god forced every human sexual act that led to conception, disregarding the free will of the people involved... he'd be responsible for our creation then. But something tells me you don't want to turn your god into a pervert playing with his billions of sex dolls, now do you?
Quote:Correct - it's a gift that you should be thankful for.
But not god's gift.
Quote:Wrong. God isn't our neighbor, he's our creator. Try again.
You were using exactly the same fucking hypothetical in the post I responded, but now that I'm doing it in a way you dislike, you've suddenly gotten very literal. What's the matter, can't think of a cogent rebuttal?
I'm not surprised.
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