RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 5:37 pm
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2013 at 5:40 pm by SavedByGraceThruFaith.)
(October 2, 2013 at 5:34 pm)ThomM Wrote:(October 2, 2013 at 7:10 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists
Some claim that it is impossible to prove that God exists. But the word of God declares otherwise.
Romans 1:19-20explanation, of an origin without God, is totally false and contradictory.
Therefore, a second irrefutable proof of the existence of God Almighty the Creator can be made. Assume indeed that atheistic origin science is correct, and all of the creation can be explained without God by the laws of nature and random chance. As will be shown, this assumed theory will prove to be false. And since the only alternative to a Creator is false, then again the fact that the Creator, God Almighty, exists will have been proven again.
Sorry - but YOU make an irrefutable error - in your logic - that renders your claim false.
YOU used the bible - a compilation of MYTH and LEGEND -= and called it the word of god. THAT is a condition that YOU cannot prove to be true.
We can prove that the ENTIRE bible was written by humans - and no one can prove otherwise.
As far as the VAST complexity of living things - we can PROVE that there never was a time when ALL of the living things of the world existed at the same time (Which disproves creation) - through archeological studies.
However - the fact that there is a vast complexity of life supports EVOLUTION - and an earth that is Billions of years old - since it would require that time for that many different species to evolve. DNA studies have already proven that ALL life on earth descended from a COMMON initial life - and evolution is already proven to have happened on earth and is still happening. IT is no longer a theory - it is a fact. So - your claim that there is NO alternative to a creator is false - itself is NOT True - it is simply an assumption YOU made based on NO PROVABLE basis.
Sorry - but there have been Hundreds of GODS - thousands of gods - and the problem with them is that they are ALL mythical concoctions of the imagination of humans - nothing more. ALL of the stories of ancient gods - including yours - have PROVABLE errors in them - that establish that they are Not true.
I used the Bible passage as a start off quote for the post. The Bible passage was not part of the facts that need to be explained.
The vast amount of information and complexity in living things is unexplainable than by any other cause but a Creator.
(October 2, 2013 at 5:08 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:(October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: DNA is a code that is used to encode RNA which is used to encode protein sequences.
As such it shows that an intelligent being made it unless you can show it came from random processes.
False dichotomy: chemistry is not random and no one thinks the chemical pathways that led to DNA were random. It was a selective process that took some time and is a bit murky to us today. As for the precise pathway(s) that led to the formation of RNA/DNA, people are working on that. Are you so impatient for an answer that you'll settle for a bad one?
Whatever the answer turns out to be, you can bet your ass it wasn't Yahweh playing mad scientist before turning his attention to the really important things like prohibiting people from eating shellfish or wearing blended fabrics.
If it is not random, just drop the correct percentage of elements into a container and see if a frog pops out.
The exact DNA code sequences cannot be formed by non-directed chemical processes.
(October 2, 2013 at 5:00 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: DNA is a code that is used to encode RNA which is used to encode protein sequences.
Here's the thing, super genius: it doesn't matter how loudly you assert this, because your inability to see other arguments nor generate responses doesn't make your position true. DNA? Not a code; it's simply chemicals interacting in accordance with the laws of physics.
That we "read" anything in DNA, the "G,C,A,T" lettering system, is down to human beings imposing labels upon the patterns that we see, nothing more. Those letters correspond to chemicals that pair up, basically; there's nothing else to it.
Quote:As such it shows that an intelligent being made it unless you can show it came from random processes.
Yes, that's your fallacious argument from ignorance; even if we couldn't do this- and we can, just take a look at the Miller Yurey experiment, for starters- it wouldn't make your idea true. You need to prove it, not just assert it over and over as though your words mean anything.
Evidence. Do you have any, or are you going to continue to display your ignorance?
Oh, and when are we going to hear about your qualifications in all this?
(October 2, 2013 at 4:58 pm)pocaracas Wrote: herp a derp...
A pair of RNA-like molecules can spontaneously assemble into gene-length chains
Self-assembling RNA square.
Self-assembling RNA nanorings based on RNAI/II inverse kissing complexes
Just 3 examples... If you want more, just google for... "self assembling rna".
Predicted next response: DNA is a code. Since everything is designed, the process that made these things you link to is also designed. This is logical. Atheistic science cannot account for this.
And then we all go and die in a hole. Well, goodnight, everyone. I'm sure there'll be more of this idiocy to deal with tomorrow.
Self assembling RNA will not a living creature make.
Sorry no evidence there.
