Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)

[Bucky Ball]

There is no "atheist creation science". Nice try at creating a strawman.

Everything about "creation" is nonsense.

1. Every argument for a deity, (such as the pathetic nonsense of Kalam) is only an assertion of "proximal" action. In other words, the "cause" they claim in no way ever justifies an "ultimate" claim. An omnipotent deity could have created a race of intelligent robot universe-creators, and there is no reason in Kalam or any other theist argument that the "cause" has to be the "ultimate" cause. Only the "proximate", (or nearest) cause.

2. The word "creation" is an action verb. An "action" REQUIRES the dimension of (space)time, (unless you invoke the fallacy of Special Pleading). A god who REQUIRES anything, (including the dimension of time) for ANYTHING about that god, to make any coherent sense, (even the very word "existence" requires time). As far as we know, at this point, there is only space-time, in this universe. Anything else is pure speculation. Actions have beginnings, and ends. They are processes. The word ONLY makes sense in a temporal context. Time BEGAN at the Big Bang, as far as we know. Saying a deity "acted" "before" time was created is meaningless linguistic incoherence.

3. Any "action" of any deity refutes it's infinity, and it places an "endpoint" / measurement point to the "infinity", which is false, by definition. (As does the very concept of "salvation", as it implies that IN TIME the deity's attitudes CHANGED, after Jebus lived and died). Change requires time. More meaningless nonsense. ((Later I will post a paper I wrote debunking, Biblically, the entire history, of the nonsense Christianity (actually Paulinity) cooked up, and called "salvation")).

4. The very notion of "causality" is preposterous on it's face. If the deity is the creator of Reality, (which also is obviously meaningless, as "existence" itself IS already "reality", and a deity can't create the very Reality in which it is required, by definition, to participate), then Causality had to be part of reality, a priori. A deity "causing" Causality is meaningless. Infinite regression.

BTW, hi kids.
My name is Bucky. You can call me "the Fullerene" if ya like :p
I'm a Physics undergrad at CalTech, and a PhD candidate at an Ivy League Divinity School, (fancy that ...) There are a few atheists in the class and the faculty. My interests are Ancient Near Eastern Culture and Languages. It annoys the living crap out of theists I know more about their holy books than they do.

I live in Cali, (San Diego), go to school in LA.
I come from a rather prominent liberal Catholic family. My gramps was a Vatican diplomat. I saw the bullshit from the inside, BUT I have no "chip on my shoulder" concerning religion. My aunt was a famous nun, (college president), and her community and nun friends were and still are my very dear friends, (as in "nuns on the bus" ... VERY liberal, sweet, intelligent non-judgmental women).

Hope I will be able to contribute something once in a while.


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