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Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain
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RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain
(October 6, 2013 at 5:13 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I'm still not fully read up on modal logic, so please forgive me if I make a silly statement... but isn't this begging the question?

it would only be begging the question if I said P1 is supported by the conclusion. but P1 is supported by the reasons in objection 3, that we can coherently conceive a mind separate from the body. which means, in a modal sense, there is at least one possible world where the mind exists without the body. there is no possible world where the brain exists without the brain. therefore, the conclusion follows that they are not the same.
Quote:But then without even knowing if the mind exists as a separate entity, it seems like this argument is valid only because of semantics i.e. the mind is *really* the brain, but because of the different label and the question-begging of such a thing even existing, it seems like we have the "mind" possibly being separate to the brain.
it's not just semantics. the fact that we can coherently conceive of mind existing without body means there are possible worlds where they exist separate. that is something impossible for the brain. therefore they are not the same.
Quote:1) The brain needs chemical energy to function
2) The mind is not the brain
3) Therefore, the mind does not need chemical energy to function
4) The mind commands our physical body to move
5) Our physical bodies require chemical energy to move
6) Therefore, energy is being *created* whenever the mind commands the body to move
C) Energy can be created by the mind
premise 6 doesn't follow from premise 5 because the mind can be connected to the brain without chemical energy being shared between the two. the only necessity for premise 5 is chemical energy being sent from brain to body.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
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Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Rational AKD - October 5, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Lion IRC - October 7, 2013 at 10:45 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Tonus - October 8, 2013 at 7:35 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Chas - October 6, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 6, 2013 at 12:46 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 2:59 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 7:39 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Rational AKD - October 6, 2013 at 6:43 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Tonus - October 6, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 6, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 6, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Chas - October 7, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 7, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 7, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 8, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 8, 2013 at 3:04 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Chas - October 8, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Chas - October 8, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 8, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 8, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 8, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 8, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 8, 2013 at 9:08 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 8, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Chas - October 8, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 8, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 9, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 9, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 9, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 9, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 10, 2013 at 12:42 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 10, 2013 at 7:39 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 10, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 10, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 10, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 10, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 10, 2013 at 1:10 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Ben Davis - October 10, 2013 at 6:15 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 10, 2013 at 7:11 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Ben Davis - October 10, 2013 at 7:42 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 10, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Ben Davis - October 15, 2013 at 8:10 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 15, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Ben Davis - October 15, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 15, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 23, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Dunno - October 9, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 10, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 10, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 11, 2013 at 7:52 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 5:38 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 12, 2013 at 3:07 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 12, 2013 at 5:37 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 12, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 13, 2013 at 3:02 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 12, 2013 at 8:41 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 12, 2013 at 7:40 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 12, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Tonus - October 12, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 13, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Bucky Ball - October 15, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 15, 2013 at 11:30 am

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