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Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain
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RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain
(October 6, 2013 at 10:02 am)Rational AKD Wrote: "P1: it is possible (meaning conceivably possible) for the mind to act independently of the brain." this doesn't make it a concrete or material object. it makes it the idea of our consciousness, and says it is conceivably possible for it to function apart from the brain IE mind switch, mind transfer, astral projection etc. "C2: the mind and the brain are not the same (C1, P3)." which still doesn't make it a concrete or material object.
Quote:There is NO, (NOT one) example in all of medicine, where an injured brain continues to function normally, or apart from intact physical brain structures.
yes, and this is supported by P2 of the argument: "P2: it is impossible for the brain to act independently of the brain." so you are correct, the brain cannot act normally apart from physical brain structures.

Now you're equivocating the Reification fallacy.
It is NOT conceivable, (to anyone who has an education in science) to "conceive" that brain functions occur apart from brains.

Seriously "mind transfer", "astral projection", ??? Woo-woo. You're really THAT desperate ? Being able to "conceive" of woo woo, in no way means it exists. I can "conceive" of glittery unicorns .... oh please.
Your P1 is false. "Mind" is a *concept*. You YOURSELF just said it was a *THING*. THAT IS the Reification fallacy.
"Mind" is a pre-scientific concept used by humans who knew nothing about Neuroscience.
Name ONE function or action of a "mind" that happens in the absence of a normally functioning brain.

You didn't answer the science education question.

I know where you're going with this.
If you can get anyone to agree there is a "mind" it is a small step to "soul".

BTW, "soul" is not a Biblical concept. The Hebrews did not believe in immortality. Sheol was not hell.
All "shades" (in the Bible) , good shades, and bad shades were "dormant" in Sheol. "Shades" were not souls.
Saul of Tarsus thought only the saved were immortal.

Psalm 39 :
"Turn your gaze away from me, that I may smile again,
before I depart, and am no more"
Psalm 115 :
The dead do not praise the Lord,
nor do any that go down into silence".

I thought Christians believed in the Bible ?
I guess I was wrong.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn

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Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Rational AKD - October 5, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Lion IRC - October 7, 2013 at 10:45 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Tonus - October 8, 2013 at 7:35 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Chas - October 6, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 6, 2013 at 12:46 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 2:59 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 7:39 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Tonus - October 6, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Bucky Ball - October 6, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 6, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 6, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Chas - October 7, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 7, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 7, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 8, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 8, 2013 at 3:04 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Chas - October 8, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Chas - October 8, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 8, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 8, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 8, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 8, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 8, 2013 at 9:08 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 8, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Chas - October 8, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 8, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 9, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 9, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brian37 - October 9, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by genkaus - October 9, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 10, 2013 at 12:42 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 10, 2013 at 7:39 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 10, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 10, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 10, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 10, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 10, 2013 at 1:10 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Ben Davis - October 10, 2013 at 6:15 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 10, 2013 at 7:11 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Ben Davis - October 10, 2013 at 7:42 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 10, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Ben Davis - October 15, 2013 at 8:10 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 15, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Ben Davis - October 15, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 15, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 23, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Dunno - October 9, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Angrboda - October 10, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 10, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 11, 2013 at 7:52 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 5:38 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 11, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 12, 2013 at 3:07 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 12, 2013 at 5:37 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 12, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 13, 2013 at 3:02 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 12, 2013 at 8:41 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 12, 2013 at 7:40 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Brakeman - October 12, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Tonus - October 12, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by bennyboy - October 13, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by Bucky Ball - October 15, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Modal Argument: The Mind is Not the Brain - by pocaracas - October 15, 2013 at 11:30 am

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