Firstly, the only "evidence" I've seen of British "wargames" on 7/7 is on truther sites, and is hearsay (i.e. it's mentioned alongside the training exercises of 9/11). This is a typical truther trick; tell some truth, and hide a lie inbetween the lines and hope people don't notice. So yes, I'd like some evidence for that wild assertion please.
As for the 9/11 training exercises, you do realise that during non-war scenarios, countries tend to like to train their men FOR war scenarios. It wasn't anything to do with Al-Qaeda, it was just a training exercise, like probably many previous training exercises that the military performs. You can probably bet good money that if the attacks had taken place on 9/12 instead, there would still have been some form of military training exercise taking place.
As for the details of the attacks; it's called "military intelligence". Yes, I know, it seems bizarre that in this world of mass communication, we can somehow know the plans of people living thousands of miles away, but it's possible. </sarcasm>
Bush had reports that Osama was planning to attack the twin towers with planes. At the time, he didn't think such attacks were feasible. He was wrong. It wouldn't have surprised me that after 9/11, the British intelligence forces wouldn't have started looking into possible attacks in our own country, and conducted similar military exercises. However, as I've said, you haven't yet given any actual evidence for them doing these.
Khalid is a plant? Evidence please...
Osama is wanted for 9/11. He was previously wanted for other terrorist actions, and after 9/11, once the CIA and British Intelligence released reports that 'irrefutably' linked Osama to the 9/11 attacks (plus the video in which Osama admits them), his bounty increased since the US sought him even more, and the manhunt began. If he is eventually caught, he will be charged formally with the crimes, though I doubt he will be caught. He is evidently a very clever and powerful man.
Yes, Hussain got a fair trial. It is not the fault of the court if defense lawyers keep getting killed, and to day so is a non sequitur. You might remember one of the judges was also killed at some point during the trial. If you hold a court in a country split down the middle, with supporters of Saddam Hussein clashing with Saddam protestors, you are going to get carnage, especially if the country isn't yet stable. The only thing not fair about the trial was the death sentence, which I stand opposed to in all cases on moral and ethical grounds.
No, people in Gitmo don't get a trial yet. Obama is seeking to change this, although in my opinion is not doing it quickly enough. He missed his deadline yesterday, and I haven't heard anything about closing the camp for weeks. This doesn't effect the trial of the terrorist Khalid though, who is being tried in a fair trial in New York City.
As for the 9/11 training exercises, you do realise that during non-war scenarios, countries tend to like to train their men FOR war scenarios. It wasn't anything to do with Al-Qaeda, it was just a training exercise, like probably many previous training exercises that the military performs. You can probably bet good money that if the attacks had taken place on 9/12 instead, there would still have been some form of military training exercise taking place.
As for the details of the attacks; it's called "military intelligence". Yes, I know, it seems bizarre that in this world of mass communication, we can somehow know the plans of people living thousands of miles away, but it's possible. </sarcasm>
Bush had reports that Osama was planning to attack the twin towers with planes. At the time, he didn't think such attacks were feasible. He was wrong. It wouldn't have surprised me that after 9/11, the British intelligence forces wouldn't have started looking into possible attacks in our own country, and conducted similar military exercises. However, as I've said, you haven't yet given any actual evidence for them doing these.
Khalid is a plant? Evidence please...
Osama is wanted for 9/11. He was previously wanted for other terrorist actions, and after 9/11, once the CIA and British Intelligence released reports that 'irrefutably' linked Osama to the 9/11 attacks (plus the video in which Osama admits them), his bounty increased since the US sought him even more, and the manhunt began. If he is eventually caught, he will be charged formally with the crimes, though I doubt he will be caught. He is evidently a very clever and powerful man.
Yes, Hussain got a fair trial. It is not the fault of the court if defense lawyers keep getting killed, and to day so is a non sequitur. You might remember one of the judges was also killed at some point during the trial. If you hold a court in a country split down the middle, with supporters of Saddam Hussein clashing with Saddam protestors, you are going to get carnage, especially if the country isn't yet stable. The only thing not fair about the trial was the death sentence, which I stand opposed to in all cases on moral and ethical grounds.
No, people in Gitmo don't get a trial yet. Obama is seeking to change this, although in my opinion is not doing it quickly enough. He missed his deadline yesterday, and I haven't heard anything about closing the camp for weeks. This doesn't effect the trial of the terrorist Khalid though, who is being tried in a fair trial in New York City.
Quote:Keep telling yourself that there are crazies out there who will hurt you, and so you had better give all you freedoms up in the name of liberty. CCTV everywhere, bobbies with guns... I wish I could show you in a way you respected, and did not mock, that you are playing into their hands by adopting such an attitude.Actually, you have me completely wrong there. I'm a Libertarian, I support maximum political and civil freedom, and that means the removal of CCTV cameras that loiter our streets, the ability for people to own guns, and the transparency of government actions. Course, I'm also against foreign intervention and all the actions that inevitably led to the US and Britain being attacked by terrorists. I'm not playing into their hands; we're on the same side. I just prefer to accept the facts and build a case for freedom based on rights and social values, rather than some conspiracy that governments want to take it away from people.
