(October 7, 2013 at 1:49 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(October 7, 2013 at 1:41 pm)Zazzy Wrote: Agreed! Now you can go home.
* Edit- actually, I'd love to see a debate on religion and evolution between Sword and Grace. C'mon, Sword, it'll be fun, and then you don't have to go home. The rest of us can eat popcorn and watch.
So you have no reason to believe that the universe just exploded out of nothing and arranged itself via precise natural laws into matter and conscious and stuff because it just did and there is no explanation for any of it? Or that we're here for no purpose and when we die we "become nothing"? How about if God created the universe, deliberately created sentient beings made in his image who he has a loving eternal relationship with? What do you do you have against that if it's not a scientific objection?
Well you are being a bit selective with the arrangement of the universe. It appears that <1% of the universe is what we can see. About 30% is dark energy and 70% dark matter. Doesn't look very well designed for life to me.
We have no idea how much variation of "natural laws" there could be in our universe based on its structure. We also have no idea whether, in an alternate universe with very different rules, intelligent life of some form could appear.
The probability of a God doing it, for us, seems farcically small.
The universe is 13.72 billion years old, we are 200,000 years old, if that. God sent his son 2,000 years ago. That's a lot of time sitting on his hands doing fuck all - and we know he's not the patient sort from the OT.
At the same time the known universe contains some 10^23 stars divided amongst some 100 billion Galaxies.
He built all that for us? How ego-centric can you be?
Or we could look at the earth itself. 4.5 billion years old. Life has existed for about 4 billion of those. For 3.5 billion years nothing but single celled creatures.
Over the last 500 million years 98% of all the species that have ever lived have gone extinct. There have been 5 great extinction events. We as a species came perilously close to going extinct ourselves about 50-60,000 years ago.
But he did all this for us.....riiiiiiiight.
