(October 11, 2013 at 4:22 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Atheists think all morality is relative is culture and personal opinion anyway but kick up a fuss whenever they see something in the Bible that is "immoral".
Okay, so you insist on telling us what we believe rather than just talking to us about it. That makes you an arrogant sod, but now that you've done it repeatedly despite my objections, I feel fairly justified in doing it to you.
I won't be taking moral advice from christians, since they think murdering babies is the only way to get into heaven.
Quote:it wouldn't have been immoral for the ancient Jews and there is no such thing as morality in general beyond social agreed social contracts.
Only that's wrong; agreed or not, if such a contract causes demonstrable harm to individuals- within certain limits and context issue that would take more time than I'm willing to give to explain- then that contract is immoral.
There, see? You've learned something new about how an atheist thinks. The question is, will you take it on board like an adult?
Quote: I would be able to take the view that something in the Bible was mistaken in the moral sense and it was written by humans with their own ideals whether or not God lay at the heart of the source of inspiration, as I believe he was.
How can you tell? Let me guess: all the parts written by man are the inconvenient parts for your reputation, huh?
Quote:Atheists cherry pick the parts of the Bible they want to use and miss good, profound and meaningful parts entirely.
Unlike you, who just labels whatever he wants as "written by humans" right? Good thing you don't cherry pick!
Besides, I don't care what good things are in the bible, because those things are good independent of the bible. They aren't good because they're in the bible, they're good in spite of it. You still haven't gotten a single inch further toward demonstrating that it is a book of truth.
Quote: They also ignore the fact that this was the source of much of what they today consider to be moral and good.
And an equal number of our moral guidelines contradict the bible; that's why we don't allow the murder of gay people, or followers of other religions, or children who are disobedient. All of those things are in the bible, remember?
Quote: What we call humanism was founded from these teachings this is what shaped our civilization, sometimes for the worse often for the better.
Even if this was true, humanism advanced by growing past the bible.
Quote:I'm guessing you haven't read the whole thing just the parts that highlighted in those New Atheist polemics.
Wrong.
Quote:That said even Dawkin's admires it as a work of literature, one of the greatest works ever written equal to Shakespeare.
And I disagree. Dawkins isn't some atheist folk hero, you know. He's just a guy who's smart on some subjects, and dumb on others. You know, like people are?
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