RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 12, 2013 at 10:44 am
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2013 at 10:49 am by Bucky Ball.)
(October 12, 2013 at 6:28 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: No answer to the origin of the universe then.
The same contradiction holds.
It the universe comes from nothing, that violates a number of scientific laws and principles.
If it always existed, all order should have vanished an infinite time ago.
The contradiction exists.
If it cam from something before, where did that come from?
And the same contradiction holds for it.
Caused by grace to fail again.

(October 12, 2013 at 6:28 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It the universe comes from nothing, that violates a number of scientific laws and principles.
Which you just happened to forget to mention, by name. cough cough.
Virtual particles come into and out of existence, billions (if not far more) of times per second. They violate no "scientific laws and principles".
But thanks for admitting your deity is essentially a "god of the gaps", because your personality type REQUIRES an answer to that question today, and "we're working on that" is not acceptable, because essentially you are the two year old, saying to mommy "but why", and when an answer is provided, keeps repeating "but why", "but why" to mommy.
You, psychologically NEED, your answer yesterday. It's really about anal retentive personality disorder, than about anything else.
The fact that your brain sees a contradiction is irrelevant. The universe has been proven to be non-intuitive. What appears to be logical to human brains, only works in a small bandwidth, (Relativity, Uncertainty etc.). You need EVIDENCE. Logic, and what appears to be illogical or logical to you is of no help here.
Ya really wanna know where it came from ?
It came from the 7th generation of Evil Poohbah Robot universe makers, which an omnipotent devil-being created with the power to create universes. Each generation was granted the power to create universes, by the omnipotent Main Evil Poohbah, with the holy law, that they must create universes with one less dimension than the robot that created the previous generation, made. We are the 11th generation of Evil Poohbah's causation chain.
There is as much evidence and logic for that, as there is for your paradigm. It's internally consistent, and the cause is omnipotent.
Wanna help me start Poohbah beligion ?
The question is : "Where anywhere, does something say it's ok the INVENT explanations for things that are, at the moment only partially explained,
declare one more useful than the next, with no evidence, name one of them a god" and finally expect rational people to buy into that crap ?"

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Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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