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Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply
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RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply
(October 15, 2013 at 4:05 am)pocaracas Wrote:
(October 15, 2013 at 2:51 am)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: That doesn't answer the question. If you can't find a problem with the reasoning, best take your own advice and keep your mouth shut.

How does it feel to have the tables turned on you? Tongue

hehe
Well, there was no question that I was aware of answering...
And an atheist who claims that "god does not exist" is espousing a view pertaining to the non-existence of that god.... not to its existence.... I can understand how you may have mistaken the two... again, context helps.

Actually, this is wrong, not just in formal logic, but even in common everyday usage.

Formally, ¬P is as much a statement about P as P, namely "P is false". I don't know what level of computer science education you have, but something like this should be covered in your education either now or down the road because it's my understanding that CS uses a lot of logic in programming.

In everyday parlance, if you ask someone "What do you think about gay marriage?" an opponent of legalizing gay marriage will not say "I have no view about gay marriage". They will have a view, and their view is ¬P, where P = "The government should legalize gay marriage".

So you are wrong both formally and in common usage. Same with Zazzy and Deirdre (although Zazzy now claims to not agree with Deirdre, smart boy Wink). Only you keep wanting to dig this hole deeper for yourself, which is no surprising seeing as how you were doing it in the philosophy of mind discussion, claiming you could solve a problem with computer science 101 where Steven Pinker and VS Ramachandran couldn't solve it. Typical internet atheist schtick. Big Grin

But your own common sense should tell you that this is how logic works. Someone who believes "We should not attack Syria" actually holds a view about attacking Syria. If you said this person holds to no view about Syria, you would be an idiot.

I'm assuming here you're more interested in the precise way in which we process these things and in not scoring cheap argument points to hide your mistake. But we never know which you're really interested in. Wink

Either way, this is your answer. If Deirdre or Zazzy are interested in educating themselves, this is to them too.
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Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 4, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 4, 2013 at 7:58 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by wwjs - October 4, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Airyaman - October 4, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Rahul - October 4, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Faith No More - October 4, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Minimalist - October 4, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by _xenu_ - October 4, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Jackalope - October 4, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Heir Apparent - October 5, 2013 at 2:53 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Simon Moon - October 4, 2013 at 8:46 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Esquilax - October 5, 2013 at 3:46 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 5, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 6, 2013 at 4:46 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Esquilax - October 6, 2013 at 6:35 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Rahul - October 6, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 5, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Bucky Ball - October 5, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Bucky Ball - October 4, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Ryantology - October 4, 2013 at 9:33 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Fruity - October 4, 2013 at 10:23 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Captain Colostomy - October 4, 2013 at 10:30 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Angrboda - October 4, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Rahul - October 4, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Walking Void - October 4, 2013 at 11:31 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by FlyingNarwhal - October 5, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Lemonvariable72 - October 5, 2013 at 12:53 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Whateverist - October 5, 2013 at 1:09 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Esquilax - October 5, 2013 at 2:35 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by downbeatplumb - October 5, 2013 at 5:29 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by zebo-the-fat - October 5, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Rahul - October 5, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by max-greece - October 5, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by _xenu_ - October 5, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 5, 2013 at 11:24 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by _xenu_ - October 5, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 5, 2013 at 11:40 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by _xenu_ - October 5, 2013 at 11:45 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Esquilax - October 5, 2013 at 11:52 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Esquilax - October 5, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by LastPoet - October 5, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by _xenu_ - October 5, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by LastPoet - October 5, 2013 at 11:43 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Angrboda - October 5, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 5, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Gilgamesh - October 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Simon Moon - October 5, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by freedomfromforum - October 5, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Tonus - October 5, 2013 at 7:24 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Airyaman - October 5, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Jackalope - October 5, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Strongbad - October 6, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Zazzy - October 6, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by downbeatplumb - October 7, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by zebo-the-fat - October 7, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Doubting Thomas - October 7, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 9, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Sword of Christ - October 11, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Ryantology - October 11, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by zebo-the-fat - October 11, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Esquilax - October 11, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 12, 2013 at 3:58 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by daandaan - October 15, 2013 at 4:07 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by *Deidre* - October 12, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 13, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Zazzy - October 13, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 13, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 14, 2013 at 5:28 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by *Deidre* - October 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Whateverist - October 13, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by *Deidre* - October 13, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Bad Wolf - October 14, 2013 at 2:41 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Whateverist - October 14, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Zazzy - October 14, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 14, 2013 at 11:16 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 15, 2013 at 1:22 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 15, 2013 at 2:51 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 15, 2013 at 4:05 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 15, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 15, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Zazzy - October 15, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Vincenzo Vinny G. - October 15, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by pocaracas - October 15, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Zazzy - October 15, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Zazzy - October 15, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by bladevalant546 - October 15, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Bad Wolf - October 15, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Zazzy - October 15, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Bad Wolf - October 15, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by FlyingNarwhal - October 15, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RE: Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply - by Bob Kelso - October 16, 2013 at 10:00 pm

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