(October 17, 2013 at 1:25 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote: Bullshit there are plenty of other ways in story telling, that's the beauty of making shit up. There are plenty of different situations Jesus could have put the characters in without causing an inconsistency in the text pertaining to hell, you're just being obstinate about me not 'getting the message'.
For instance, the rich man, in being sentenced to hell could have had his plea bargain with Abraham before being sent there and the story could have gotten it's point across. As far as the anguish and torment represented in the text, used to scare the bejesus (pardon the pun) out of people, it could have just as easily been added into the ending of the tale.
The original parable itself can be taken as a personal warning to the Pharisees whether in disregard to the scriptures or that even a supernatural event (such as a visit from beyond the grave) could not change their hearts. This can also be taken as a message to those of a greedy nature who have much but do not help their fellow man. EDIT: Or even as a message of hope to the downtrodden believer who persists through trials and tribulations that they will be rewarded in heaven as was the beggar.
So to hell with your condescending presumptions, it's just typical theist rage-baiting tactics.
How could it be possible for the rich man to have expressed his desire for others not to be where he is without being there, not possible. We would have not had to go this long route around if you had just given your understanding to begin with. Getting atheist to give answers around here is like pulling hens teeth. Good to see you understand this parable and you put it in writing, want be able to use this as an excuse at God's judgement, you do know about God's judgement and excuses, right.

God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.