RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 18, 2013 at 7:21 am
(October 17, 2013 at 4:38 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote: Once again you're reverting to telling people your beliefs and working from a position that this is how things are.
There were plenty of non believers before the advent of modern science, granted they weren't very outspoken because death and torture are fantastic ways of controlling the 'heathens'. Don't blame me for using the tools at my disposal to disprove your god, that's like trying to shame a man for disproving magical faeries.
The vast majority of the 'Heathen' converted peacefully to the 'White Christ' as called it, though it did take a few hundred years to accept and there were numerous regressions back to the old ways. The only attempted forced conversion through conquest would have been Lithuania and the northern Crusade, in the end they just settled for marrying the Lithuanian king to a Christian Polish princess and that did the trick. There was the Spanish conquest of the Americas but any forced conversion of the natives was an afterthought as they were just after the land/gold.
Quote:Where did your god come from? Did he create himself? Are there an infinite line of gods creating other gods who in turn create more?
He didn't come from anywhere he is the creator/reason/purpose of existence itself. You can't be doing without God, it would be like house without foundations.
Quote:You, and all other theists that use this argument are off your damned rockers.
Are you sure you're not off your rocker to say "It was all an unintentional accident!" Really? What makes you say that?
Quote:How can you bloody well shrug your shoulders at years upon years of scientific study and achievement and say that god gave it to us and we can't possibly prove or disprove his existence with it? How damned convenient.
God created the natural order and science studies the natural order. The natural order would strongly hint toward purposeful creation if you look at the whole picture and our own place within it, small though our place is. But you can take the universe as a whole to have been created for life not just our one planet.
Quote:You can't take the creation of the universe and simply attribute it to some imaginary figure, what a giant pile of lazy shit that is.
Not as lazy as saying "The universe just exists for no reason and it exists the way it is because it's a coincidence of blind luck".
Quote:"Oh things are just far too complex to simply be there. It must have been Zeus!'
Even if Zeus ever existed he was just a created being like ourselves. Just an immortal man basically he did not create the universe the universe created him. It's important to be able to distinguish the difference even if you want to claim God is a myth, you'll be able to present a better argument.
Quote:You shake your faith at such a magnitude of evidence to the contrary that it's fucking laughable, and when it suits you theists you attempt to conform the theories of science to your god saying you never said they couldn't work in unison. Anything to sell your product right?
If you have "contrary evidence" against the existence of God feel free to present it. But no you don't have any such thing just your own ideology. Explaining the truth isn't selling a product, it's explaining the truth. Yes it's a good truth essentially but why can't it be?
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
